The Seas of the Sultan, Ottoman New World
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Just a recap of major differences in this TL, there is no Protestantism, Catholicism made major reforms, but there is a branch of "Orthodox" Catholicism in Iberia that did not heed these reforms, and started its own branch. Lollardy main denomination in Britain. Shias are not concentrated in Iran, since Safavids were nipped early in the bud. A branch of the Timurids rule in Iran, which is predominantly Sunni.
Central Asia is the home to the Shaybanid Empire (another branch of the Timurids), a large and prosperous empire, constantly skirmishing with Russia in Kazakhstan. It has taken the place of the Safavids as one the of "Three Gunpoweder Empires". Aurungzeb never ruled in Mughal India, thus no overexpansion, instead Dara Sikoh, a more peaceful ruler took the throne, and the Mughals (yet another branch of the Timurids, seems to be more a Timurid wank) are at regular size, still going strong. (*Spoiler Alert*) Qing about to invade Russia (had a great chance to do so during the Seven Year's War, and their logistic capabilities might have allowed it). French East India Company, and Dutch East India Company giving British East India Company a run for their money (more than OTL).
Ottoman Balkan possessions greatly scaled back. Main battleground instead is Serbia, instead of Hungary. Belgrade has already changed hands several times. Ottomans control southern portion of Italy, (which they will lose soon). Granada way more powerful ITTL. About to throw of Ottoman suzerainity, and are a pesky thorn in Spain's side. Jadid gold financed a great military machine, and they have a great military (Prussia of the West). Granada lords over the Jadid colonies of Al-Messtli (Mexico), Al-Gharb (Nicaragua), Al-Qouba (Cuba, Carib Islands) Al-Kawthar (Panama) and Reisah (Gran Colombia). Also back the Islamic Inka (yup, I said it). Mahmudi Esfandyarids have near autonomy in Al-Messtli (Berber Dynasty), while ANOTHER branch of the Timurids will take over in Reisah, which is predominantly Turkish (as opposed to the others which are Arab and Berber). A large number of Crimean and Tatar horsemen live on the Great Plains, constantly plundering Dutch, and native lands for Al-Messtli, along with Muslim Cherokee, Creek and Arapaho. Dutch hold the East Coast as Virginia, expanding inwards and hold Guyana. France still holds Quebec, while the British only have OTL Rupert's Land and an outpost on the tip of Patagonia. Portugal firmly holding Florida (called Tegesta), and Brasil.
Anything I miss? Any questions, anything too implausible! I live off your criticism.
Central Asia is the home to the Shaybanid Empire (another branch of the Timurids), a large and prosperous empire, constantly skirmishing with Russia in Kazakhstan. It has taken the place of the Safavids as one the of "Three Gunpoweder Empires". Aurungzeb never ruled in Mughal India, thus no overexpansion, instead Dara Sikoh, a more peaceful ruler took the throne, and the Mughals (yet another branch of the Timurids, seems to be more a Timurid wank) are at regular size, still going strong. (*Spoiler Alert*) Qing about to invade Russia (had a great chance to do so during the Seven Year's War, and their logistic capabilities might have allowed it). French East India Company, and Dutch East India Company giving British East India Company a run for their money (more than OTL).
Ottoman Balkan possessions greatly scaled back. Main battleground instead is Serbia, instead of Hungary. Belgrade has already changed hands several times. Ottomans control southern portion of Italy, (which they will lose soon). Granada way more powerful ITTL. About to throw of Ottoman suzerainity, and are a pesky thorn in Spain's side. Jadid gold financed a great military machine, and they have a great military (Prussia of the West). Granada lords over the Jadid colonies of Al-Messtli (Mexico), Al-Gharb (Nicaragua), Al-Qouba (Cuba, Carib Islands) Al-Kawthar (Panama) and Reisah (Gran Colombia). Also back the Islamic Inka (yup, I said it). Mahmudi Esfandyarids have near autonomy in Al-Messtli (Berber Dynasty), while ANOTHER branch of the Timurids will take over in Reisah, which is predominantly Turkish (as opposed to the others which are Arab and Berber). A large number of Crimean and Tatar horsemen live on the Great Plains, constantly plundering Dutch, and native lands for Al-Messtli, along with Muslim Cherokee, Creek and Arapaho. Dutch hold the East Coast as Virginia, expanding inwards and hold Guyana. France still holds Quebec, while the British only have OTL Rupert's Land and an outpost on the tip of Patagonia. Portugal firmly holding Florida (called Tegesta), and Brasil.
Anything I miss? Any questions, anything too implausible! I live off your criticism.
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My only immediate comment is that I don't think the Ottoman Empire would stagnate as much as you think. They allied with Prussia and Britain quite well and are unlikely to fall back militarily. Economically, maybe, but not very likely. They're too close to Europe at the moment IMO, especially as long as Southern Spain remains theirs in a sense.
Part 34
In Europe, the war dragged on. The Anglo-Prussian Alliance served well, since the British Navy, and their soldiers could focus on taking out overseas colonies, while the drilled and powerful Prussian Army, bolstered by Turkish numbers held the enemies at bay. In Iberia, back and forth battles continued, with the Turks pouring in men from their African holdings. Mamluks, Berber warriors and Moorish horsemen all fought alongside the Granadans and the British.
During the lull in the fighting over the winter, the French and Spanish worked hard to bring the Italian League on their side. When campaigning season was back on, over 45 000 Italians poured into Ottoman Italia, finally capturing Rome in a brief two day siege. The Italians smashed through the weak Turkish defenses that could be mustered. But after calling in reinforcements from Egypt, Anatolia and Syria, they were stopped near Naples. With the main Ottoman force in Hungary, the soldiers in Italy were scraped from the bottom of the barrel, so the Italian League continued pushing the Ottomans back inch by inch.
Another nail upon the Ottoman's was a massive Russian invasion into the Ottoman Balkans and Caucasus. The Russians had steadily been decreasing their presence against the Prussians, and mobilizing their total force to strike hard against the Ottomans, crossing the Danube and striking against Dobruja and the Black Sea coast, while another force pushed into the Caucasus. The Ottomans alarmed at fighting a war on so many fronts were forced to pull out the forces operating in Granada, allowing the Spanish a string of victories and threatening Seville again, until enough Anglo-Portuguese units could fill in the vacuum. Large amounts of units were transported from Syria and Mesopotamia, garrisons in Anatolia were emptied and the Timurids in Iran long on great relations with their Sunni compatriots pledged thousands of troops in the Caucasus. In the Balkans, the Russians continued their successes, but they were stopped dead in the Caucasus by an army of 75 000 under the command of Tamsahip Shah of Persia. The Ottomans also appealed to their long time allies in the Shaybanid Empire to attack the Russians in the east. Mohammad Riyaz Khan the Shaybanid Emperor was persuaded to launch over 125 000 hardened Turkic tribesmen deep into the Russian Volga basin. The Russians had thought that the recent internal strife in Central Asia would prevent them from aiding the Ottomans, but it would seem they had miscalculated. The Shaybanids rushed at Astrakhan, and after a long siege it fell to the Uzbek hordes. In conjunction with Ottoman units, an attack pierced deep along the Volga river, sacking Volgograd and even going as far north as Saratov. This attack on the Russians eased the pressure on the Prussians, allowing them to make a counter-offensive against the Russians. The Ottomans were persuaded to keep a strong presence in Hungary, so the Austrians wouldn't be able to capitalize on the Prussian offensives. By summer's end the Russians were in a dire situation. The Volga and Ural regions were under constant raids by the Turkic tribes, the Prussians were making major offensives, and the Swedes seemed to be stirring. The Ottomans had beat back some of the largest offensives in several decades, and not to mention the Empress was sickly. More troubling news arose from the east.
By the beginning of 1766, most of the powers had been bled dry. The Ottomans were facing internal revolt, and their armies were facing heavy attrition, not to mention the never-ending warfare. The Russians were beleagured on all sides. The Prussians, Austrians, and French were nearing mutiny, and the British had faced heavy losses. The powers all met on the table in Sicily, in the city of Balhurm.
(Peace deserves it's own update. Itll come tomorrow or the day after)
Regards to DCInsider
In Europe, the war dragged on. The Anglo-Prussian Alliance served well, since the British Navy, and their soldiers could focus on taking out overseas colonies, while the drilled and powerful Prussian Army, bolstered by Turkish numbers held the enemies at bay. In Iberia, back and forth battles continued, with the Turks pouring in men from their African holdings. Mamluks, Berber warriors and Moorish horsemen all fought alongside the Granadans and the British.
During the lull in the fighting over the winter, the French and Spanish worked hard to bring the Italian League on their side. When campaigning season was back on, over 45 000 Italians poured into Ottoman Italia, finally capturing Rome in a brief two day siege. The Italians smashed through the weak Turkish defenses that could be mustered. But after calling in reinforcements from Egypt, Anatolia and Syria, they were stopped near Naples. With the main Ottoman force in Hungary, the soldiers in Italy were scraped from the bottom of the barrel, so the Italian League continued pushing the Ottomans back inch by inch.
Another nail upon the Ottoman's was a massive Russian invasion into the Ottoman Balkans and Caucasus. The Russians had steadily been decreasing their presence against the Prussians, and mobilizing their total force to strike hard against the Ottomans, crossing the Danube and striking against Dobruja and the Black Sea coast, while another force pushed into the Caucasus. The Ottomans alarmed at fighting a war on so many fronts were forced to pull out the forces operating in Granada, allowing the Spanish a string of victories and threatening Seville again, until enough Anglo-Portuguese units could fill in the vacuum. Large amounts of units were transported from Syria and Mesopotamia, garrisons in Anatolia were emptied and the Timurids in Iran long on great relations with their Sunni compatriots pledged thousands of troops in the Caucasus. In the Balkans, the Russians continued their successes, but they were stopped dead in the Caucasus by an army of 75 000 under the command of Tamsahip Shah of Persia. The Ottomans also appealed to their long time allies in the Shaybanid Empire to attack the Russians in the east. Mohammad Riyaz Khan the Shaybanid Emperor was persuaded to launch over 125 000 hardened Turkic tribesmen deep into the Russian Volga basin. The Russians had thought that the recent internal strife in Central Asia would prevent them from aiding the Ottomans, but it would seem they had miscalculated. The Shaybanids rushed at Astrakhan, and after a long siege it fell to the Uzbek hordes. In conjunction with Ottoman units, an attack pierced deep along the Volga river, sacking Volgograd and even going as far north as Saratov. This attack on the Russians eased the pressure on the Prussians, allowing them to make a counter-offensive against the Russians. The Ottomans were persuaded to keep a strong presence in Hungary, so the Austrians wouldn't be able to capitalize on the Prussian offensives. By summer's end the Russians were in a dire situation. The Volga and Ural regions were under constant raids by the Turkic tribes, the Prussians were making major offensives, and the Swedes seemed to be stirring. The Ottomans had beat back some of the largest offensives in several decades, and not to mention the Empress was sickly. More troubling news arose from the east.
In the continent of Jadid, The Viceroy of New France began to support several Aboriginal tribes on the Great Plains, to carry out raids and fierce attacks against the Turks. The Ottomans had transported a great number of Tatar horsemen to the plains, where they lived off the fat Dutch and French holdings. To combat the French, the Emir of Al-Messtli gathered all his forces, the Janissary Contingents, militias, native allies such as the Cherokee and Apache, and the Crimean horsemen to total an army of 15 000 men. The French and their Indian allies were only able to muster 8000 men. But both armies were large for the new continent. The armies met near the French settlement of St.Miquelon. The resulting battle was large and bloody, and saw the death of the General Pierre Bourassa, a death which would forever be immortalized, and used as an excuse by the French population to carry out their war against the Turks. While the battle was a strategic stalemate, it had long-running consequences.
By the beginning of 1766, most of the powers had been bled dry. The Ottomans were facing internal revolt, and their armies were facing heavy attrition, not to mention the never-ending warfare. The Russians were beleagured on all sides. The Prussians, Austrians, and French were nearing mutiny, and the British had faced heavy losses. The powers all met on the table in Sicily, in the city of Balhurm.
(Peace deserves it's own update. Itll come tomorrow or the day after)
Regards to DCInsider
Part 35
The powers had all been bled dry. The Russians were the first to break, by first ceding land to the Manchus. Afterwards, at the Treaty of Isfahan, the Russians agreed to leave all Turkish lands, and Circassia was ceded to the Turks once more. The Shaybanids were granted small pieces of land around the Caspian. The Treaty of Moscow, between Sweden, Prussia and Russia ended hostilities between their nations.
Seeing that a prime ally was out of the fray, the Austrians entered into negotiations. Silesia was to remain a Prussian province, while the Austrians had to pay amenities. The Turks whose army had been entirely decimated over the years of fighting in Hungary were not in a position to bargain, and so they left Hungary in good order, with the plunder and tribute they had acquired. The Ottomans, also were forced to cede Rome, and the whole of Italy, from Naples northwards to the Italian League, creating the Kingdom of Rome. Iberia returned to Status Quo.
In the Treaty of Paris, the British, French, Granadans and a representative from Al-Messtli met, to determine the fate of the colonies. The French had established superiority in India, but their African colonies were taken early on. The French were allowed to keep India in exchange for West Africa, while Al-Messtli forced the French to relinquish any claims upon the Great Steppe of Jadid.
The conflict had changed the powers of Europe. Prussia was regarded as one of the Great Powers. Russia and Turkey were in shambles. The Ottoman Officers were all lost i Hungary, severely hampering their ability to carry out attacks for the next several decades, allowing their influence to weaken. The British established their superiority in the seas...
The powers had all been bled dry. The Russians were the first to break, by first ceding land to the Manchus. Afterwards, at the Treaty of Isfahan, the Russians agreed to leave all Turkish lands, and Circassia was ceded to the Turks once more. The Shaybanids were granted small pieces of land around the Caspian. The Treaty of Moscow, between Sweden, Prussia and Russia ended hostilities between their nations.
Seeing that a prime ally was out of the fray, the Austrians entered into negotiations. Silesia was to remain a Prussian province, while the Austrians had to pay amenities. The Turks whose army had been entirely decimated over the years of fighting in Hungary were not in a position to bargain, and so they left Hungary in good order, with the plunder and tribute they had acquired. The Ottomans, also were forced to cede Rome, and the whole of Italy, from Naples northwards to the Italian League, creating the Kingdom of Rome. Iberia returned to Status Quo.
In the Treaty of Paris, the British, French, Granadans and a representative from Al-Messtli met, to determine the fate of the colonies. The French had established superiority in India, but their African colonies were taken early on. The French were allowed to keep India in exchange for West Africa, while Al-Messtli forced the French to relinquish any claims upon the Great Steppe of Jadid.
The conflict had changed the powers of Europe. Prussia was regarded as one of the Great Powers. Russia and Turkey were in shambles. The Ottoman Officers were all lost i Hungary, severely hampering their ability to carry out attacks for the next several decades, allowing their influence to weaken. The British established their superiority in the seas...
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Any chance that this might be updated sometime in the distant future. It was a really amazing read! Though there a few criticisms I had of it, mainly of the Americas section.
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