The Seas of the Sultan, Ottoman New World

Onyx

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Russia in the New World?
Sweet! I hope they get California, Alaska, BC, and Utah, but not let them get totally wiped out in the upcoming war.

And what about Spain? Do they have plans to go to the New World? The Llanos region is probably Spain's last chance to be in.
 
There's no Spain in this timeline lol
But when will anything happen in the East? You know, China, Japan, or even India and the Indies
Maybe instead of getting colonized, some of them managed to kill others and get a piece of America? or maybe Africa?
And Africa's also empty of activity
 
I can only pray that the Incas get to the Buenos Aires.

Regarding the rest of this, I forsee expansion into Persia for the Ottomans with that much gold on hand. They have to use it in some way, I think.
 
I have mentioned India, stating that there was no Aurungzeb so no crumble of the Mughals that quickly. Mali will soon find contact with the Ottomans/Granadans.

As for Spain, they will get Patagonia, and other small areas in America.

As for Persia, it is already under Ottoman thumb, Safavids were defeated early by the Shaybanid Uzbeks, who united Central Asia. Outright annexation might put them into conflict against the Uzbeks, who are a valuable ally against Russia.
 
But now, somehow the spice trade cease to exist, it is one of the reasons why Europe looked for a passageway to the east
Is it because of the large sum of gold?
IMHO, shouldn't THAT amount of gold flowing lower the price of gold? :confused:
 
But now, somehow the spice trade cease to exist, it is one of the reasons why Europe looked for a passageway to the east
Is it because of the large sum of gold?
IMHO, shouldn't THAT amount of gold flowing lower the price of gold? :confused:

In the beginning, it was to look for the spice trade, like OTL. But Portugal discovered the New World, and the Ottomans jumped to the opportunity, and conquered the Aztecs, bringing all the gold. Everyone else went to look for gold, didn't find any, but made colonies like OTL for other purposes, eg. furs, tobacco, prestige
 
Part XVII

Aside from the influx of gold that the Ottomans spent on public projects and lavish palaces, several other things changed hands from the two continents.

The Americans received deadly blows from Old World diseases, decimating entire organized populaces. Steel, guns, cannonry all became common-place in Native tribes, and were used effectively in Ottoman sponsored raids against the Dutch, Portuguese and non-Muslim tribes. These raids had immense success in pushing out tribal incursions and enemy raids. Something about Ottoman trained Cherokee mujaheddin struck fear into the hearts of enemies, and were thus labelled Red Djinns by their Muslim comrades, and many served in Granda and the Balkans in the name of the Caliph and Sultan. A particular Chief, named Muhammad Two Feathers became a well-known General in Crimea and the Balkans and was titled Pasha by the Sultan. In the regions of Reisah, Thahhab-e-Fida, and Al-Padagonniyeh coffee becama a well-grown crop.

Coca leaves, which were first taken up by soldiers serving in Jadid garrisons, and brought back to Morocco, Grenada, Algiers and spread throughout Dar-al-Islam. In several years it became chewed from India to Al-Messtli. Tobacco also became widespread, hookahs were being smoked from the Palace of the Sultan to the slums of Baghdad. Potatos also became extremely widespread, enjoyed from Delhi to London, with all types of widespread dishes of all tastes and flavours.

While this joyful cuisine was presented, the drums of war began to beat in Al-Jadiddyah, beginning in Europe.
 
This TL only gets better. I know I mentioned this before, but will the Inca Empire, now vassal of the Ottomans, be allowed to continue expansion? If so, consider large chunks of the Amazon and good chunks of the Southern Andes Inca territory. The Incas had a fondness for assimilation and war. A better question though, what is the current date?
 
This TL only gets better. I know I mentioned this before, but will the Inca Empire, now vassal of the Ottomans, be allowed to continue expansion? If so, consider large chunks of the Amazon and good chunks of the Southern Andes Inca territory. The Incas had a fondness for assimilation and war. A better question though, what is the current date?

The part about the Mohammad Two Feathers came to me from the beginning of this thread, when someone said, "Oh not one of these again!", and somebody else said "I always love these threads because you get interesting names like Mohammad Two Feathers"
 
Part XXVIII

By the year 1719, the King of Spain Charles II passed away. The succession crisis pitted the two most powerful entities in Europe. The Habsburgs and the French. While the nations of Europe sided with their respective allies and sides, the Ottomans looked north from the Balkans.

While war raged in continental Europe, overtures were made by both sides towards the Grenadans and Ottomans. France encouraged the Ottomans to attack Habsburgs. In 1721 the Ottomans had managed an army of 125 000, and pierced deep into Hungary, capturing Belgrade, and Zagred, and threatening Budapest. With the main Austrain army directed in Bavaria against France, there was little stopping the Ottomans from laying siege to Budapest. A hasty army scraped from Hungarian garrisons and peasents was able to delay the Ottomans near Gurza, but the superior Ottomans were able to push the Hungarians back. Budapest would endure one of the longest and most hard fought sieges in modern history.

While fighting continued in the Balkans, Spain was also the site of much fighting. Granada, long capitalizing on Spanish ill-luck was able to make incursions into Huescar, and Andalusia. The Siege of Barcelona had the main Spanish force directed north, and much like the Ottomans, the Grandans were able to threaten the major cities of the north. Portugal, sided with Spain and sent a field army under Marques des Minas and were able to rout the Granadans near Sevilla. The battle-cry "Drive the Moor Out" and "Remember Huescar", the battle where the Granadans were able to massacre a Spanish army. Seville was placed under joint Portuguese and Spanish siege, but resisted. Another attack on Granada, by a Portuguese fleet laid siege to Granada. The Mediterranean Ottoman fleet, aided by France and England were able to smash the Portuguese, saving Granda's rear, while they were under attack from the north.

Part IIXXX

The war on Europe finally spread to America. The powers in America had been simmering for some time, and the hostilities finally boiled over. The first move was made by the Portuguese Colonial Army and their native allies in Tegesta, numbering up to 20 000 men, taken from Brasil as well, the Portuguese were able to lay siege to Samirryah (New Orleans). But a perfect move of maneuvering, that would be quoted by military historians, and generals centuries afterwards were carried out by the Cherokee Red Djinns, and Pasha Two Feathers, and several hundred Janissaries. Numbering only 3500, they were able to attack the rear of the Portuguese at night, making loud noises, carrying torches, and burning the camp. At night, the effect made it look like there were more Muslims then they really were. The Portuguese fled, leaving their equipment and supplies all there.

A letter was sent to the Governor of Tegesta, from Hakim Bey, who led the foray with the Cherokee. It explained his tactic, and the ruse, and was titled Hakim Bey, leader of the 3500 men. His ceremonial title became, Hakim Bey, General of 3500.

While the Portuguese re-grouped, and recieved reinforcements from Portugal and Brasil, the full might of Al-Messtli was raised. Up to 35 000 men, from the garrison, colonial army, native allies and the militia were ordered to march along the coast, and strike against Sao Pedro. The Portuguese were waiting, and had dug themselves in, with 30 000 soldiers. The deadlock achieved in Tegesta would stay the duration of the war. Al-Qouba had made an attempt at a naval landing near New Porto, but were stopped.

In the north, the Dutch and British invaded New France. The Dutch were able to attack Acadia, and the British funded the Iroqious Confederacy to pillage The Great Lakes area.

The war in Europe ended with the Treaty of Utrecht, where Phillip V became King of Spain, and its possessions of Sicily, Netherlands and Naples. The Ottomans were granted Serbia, and Bosnia. The Treaty also recognized French authority over the Great Lakes.

The treaty ended war, but relations still simmered between France and the Holy Roman Empire...
 
Part 29

(Switching to Arabic Numerals, after 30 I always get confused with Romans)

The Wars were a defining moment for the Jadidyyah nations, it proved that Al-Messtli, Reisah and Al-Kawthar were capable of holding their own. Many in these states thought that the wars showed their nations had matured, and further help from the motherlands of Granada, Arabia, Turkey and Egypt was not needed. Calls for autonomy and even independence were called, but the populace remained content with musing about them during hookah sessions, or in the marketplace after Friday prayers. Many were proud that they had defeated the invaders, and a national identity began to form.

Further East, the Russians awoke. Under a revolutionary new Tsar campaigns against the enemies of the state ocurred. The first campaign was led against the Crimean Tatars, the last of the Tatar states on the Steppes. The power of the Tatars had decreased since the late 17th century when Muscovy became a power too strong to pillage. Internal conflict developed when pillage could not come in, and economic downfall happened. The Rus took advantage of this, and in 1735 the Russian Armies managed to penetrate the peninsula itself. Pleas were sent out to the Ottomans, Timurids and Shaybanids but the Ottomans were dealing with civil unrest in Rumelia while the Shaybanids and Timurids were occupied fighting a reinvigorated Mughal Empire under the leadership of the son of Dara Shikoh, Siphir Shikoh. In 1738 a humiliating peace treaty submitted the Crimeans, and their golden age had come to an end...
 
Okay, this has been nominated for Best New Before 1900 TL, and Best Renaissance and Reformation TL. Please vote if you like Tatar hordes in the Midwest fighting Sioux bands.

Part 31


In 1740, the Emir of Granada appointed a certain Hasan ibn Isfendiyari, to act as Governor of Al-Messtli. An accomplished Berber mercenary general, now in the service of the Emir, and ultimately the Sultan of Turkey. Sent to rule the territory, which had rapidly grown to rival those back in Dar-al-Islam.

Isfendyari's agressive policies worked to combat the unruly Aboriginal tribes in the frontiers, bring in a large flux of immigrants, and create large amounts of wealth from the sugar, gold and silver trade. Soon, he exercised near autonomy, paying lip service to the Emir. His position even became hereditary, creating the Isfendyarid Dynasty of Al-Messtli. To the south, in Reisah, a different style emerged. Decisions were made with the people's support, through the influence of village leaders, and governors in the Majlis Shura Council. Governors appointed by the Emir held little sway, and were often under de facto house arrest, in their lavis palaces.

Part 32


Monthly, treasure ships sailed back to Granada, and the Emir used the vast influx of wealth on creating a series of mass border fortifications against Spain, hiring the most trained and professional army in Europe, and creating a navy to rival the likes of the naval powers. The Emir had seen with foresight that the Spanish would jump at every opportunity to attack Grenada, and push out the Moor, after the triumphant conquests of Cordova and Seville, and the Battle of Huescar, a major defeat and embarassment to the Spanish state.

More eastwards, the conquest of the Crimea was inevitable. The armies of the Rus were gathering to eliminate the last of the Golden Horde remnants. Thousands upon thousands of Tatars fled to Turkey, where they were given large land tracts and passage to the open flat steppes of the new continent. Initial immigrants totaled up to 700 Steppe warriors, and their families. They were given land grants, and permissions to raid the Steppe frontiers of Al-Messtli. The promise of a safe haven from the increasingly brutal Russian raids prompted thousands more to flee to the Ottoman Empire, where some stayed. But other took the perilious journey across, in pakced ships. In the year 1748, the conquest of the Crimea was complete, and the last Crimean Khan Adil Giray IV died in the last Tatar horse charge in all of Russia.
 
It's back! :D
You promised a collapse :p , the ottomans are getting too big for the standards of a muslim Empire
oh and you still haven't touched Asia!


Well I did mention a Mughal Empire where Aurungzeb never took control, and they never overexpanded. They are still there, fighting a series of raids against the Timurids in Iran and the Shaybanid Uzbeks.

China is coming soon, something VERY interesting.
 
Okay don't collapse until you've touched asia, the spice islands that is :p

Oh yeah, that's what missing! China! Hahaha you haven't touched China, I just realized :p
 
Turtledove Awards are coming, be sure to vote for this in Best New Before 1900 TL, and Best Renaissance and Reformation TL

Will do. I have to say that this timeline has impressed me immensely. Does my heart good to see the Otto's not getting molested for once. ;)

I hope that you win!
 
Part 33

In the year 1749, the World's first truly global conflict took place. The causes still remain undetermined, and historians still believe that it was a number of inter-twined conflicts instead of an all out war.

In continental Europe, several years only redrew the map of traditional alliances, as France, Austria, Russia entered into an alliance against Prussia. Wary of Prussian expansion, Austria ceaselessly moved in to retake the provinces lost in previous wars. At the same time, another army from Russia attacked East Prussia, and the French were on the move. In a brilliant move, the Prussians managed to drive back the French, defeat the Russians and draw a bloody stalemate with the Austrians. But the allies regrouped and launched another massive offensive against Prussia. Beleaguered from all sides, Prussia called on the traditional enemies of Russia, Austria and France, Britain, Sweden and the Ottomans. Britain, already allied with Prussia sent her large navy to French colonies all around the world, making attacks on New France, Gambia, India. The Ottomans, eager to strike the Austrians for their insolence sent a massive army of 200 000 to pierce deep into Hungary. The Ottomans laid waste to large portions of the countryside, and easily battered away any force that was raised to confront them. With the main Austrian army fighting in Prussia, there was little in stopping the Turks from laying siege to Budapest, the siege would be long, and the shoddy logistics would not help either. For most of the war, Europe would be locked in a bloody stalemate, a quagmire of blood and powder.

Western Europe, Iberia namely was the grounds for fighting once again. Angered at the British overtures to Granada, and the budding friendship, the Spanish sided with the French and invaded Granada once again, laying siege to Seville, now little more than an important border town after years of border skirmishes. Along with Prussia, Granada had one of the finest trained forces in the world, using the gold from Al-Messtli to fund it. Along with a British Expeditionary Force, and their Mediterranean Fleet they fought back. The Granadan relief force, placed under the command of Sir Alan Halliday, later to be styled Viscout Seville decisively routed the Spanish force, and chased them back into Spain proper. Fighting back and forth battles near the border. The joint Anglo-Granadan navy, reinforced by the Turkish fleets from their vassals in Algeria and Tunis, began to bombard the Spanish coast, making a landing at Valencia. After heavy fighting, the city was captured and held for the duration of the war.

To the east, India was also grounds for battle. The French and British had set up outposts, and occupied small states. They had recently begun to enroach upon the domains of Dara Sikoh III, the Mughal Emperor. More war-like and expansionist than his predecessors, Dara Sikoh gathered a massive force and set out to fight the British, French and Portuguese. Allying with one or the other side to gain new technologies. The Mughals constantly changed sides, and whichever side had the Mughal numbers would surely win. The fighting culminated in the Battle of Chandanaggar, where a large Mughal Army of 75 000 along with a contingent of 12 000 French and French Sepoys confronted the Nawab of Bengal, and his British masters, numbering 50 000. A massive battle ended where the Bengali troops fled, and the Mughal Cavalry managed to encircle the British capturing them, and leaving them to the mercies of the French East India Company. The armies of Bengal were hunted down, and the Mughal Emperor annexed Bengal, allowing the French East India Company large privileges in trade etc.



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