Giant Man Eating Rabbits
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To be fair to the ship workers who built the Titanic, it was more of a design issue than workmanship!
The other sisters never had any problems.
WI: The General Dynamics F-111 is still born?
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To be fair to the ship workers who built the Titanic, it was more of a design issue than workmanship!
The other sisters never had any problems.
to say it bluntly, Titanic sank do operation error by the crew...
the ship was built to a very high standard by high quality craftsman. That it suffered a disastrous unplanned journey cessation event was not the fault of the workmanship, it was a fault of the specification !
Apart from the unplanned war damage of course…To be fair to the ship workers who built the Titanic, it was more of a design issue than workmanship!
The other sisters never had any problems.
Other than the overly brittle rivets and the watertight bulkheads that let water flow over the top into the next compartment.
muddyleathers
Banned
Watertight bulkheads that let water flow over them is a design issue. Brittle rivets would come under quality control. both issues due to the swearword among wastewater operators known as "engineering".
Much as I loved the TSR2, it had issues. They had problems with the rapid throttling causing vibration, they had to delay flight tests as the undercarriage was showing some issues when landing and a lot of the electronics were either not working correctly, the other issue was maintenance issues such as it being a 12 hour + evolution as there was little clearance between engines and fuselage.
The airframe though was spectacular. They would do supersonic low level flights where the Lightning couldn't stick with the TSR2 as they were getting pummelled with low level turbulence and had to climb to a higher altitude.
The project was massively over budget and if the Olympus engines had continued to suffer from resonance issues it would never have achieved squadron service. Though politics were an issue.
Giant Man Eating Rabbits
Banned
Was due to the insistence of going straight to supersonic speed from the get go and not going with a Concorde style work up to supersonic speed?
Sure if it's not a problem if they use reheat to take-off then cruise for a while then hit supersonic when the engines have warmed up!
Did this non stop supersonic travel really need to be in the spec's?
The spec was too nuts. They wanted M2.0 from 40,000ft to 0 ft, a better compromise would have been M1.3 on the deck.
Agreed!
TSR2 never had to face the music of passing through the whole development stage.
F111 at the stage TSR2 was cancelled was "sweet", and then the wheels fell off.
The avionics of TSR2 were not tested as a complete system, under service conditions.
The high wing loading at low level was not exposed to hours of flight and true fatigue testing.
If the F111 is DOA then the Navy continues with its Fighter/interceptor and the Airforce builds its medium bomber that it wanted. So we get a proto F-14 and a Strike Bomber, Basicly an A-111 or a B-111 in effect with no Fighter DNA. I suspect it will be a replacement for the B-47 and the B-58. Probably turns out very much like the OTL F-111. But a better bomber.
I feel like the F111 never get's the credit it deserves. While yeah it was never going to be a carrier interceptor it was a incredible aircraft that delivered incredible value for decades.
I've always liked the idea of a stretched F111 as a sort of American TU22M.
They seriously considered it in place of the B-1! 5600-mile range, two F101s, the works.