The Star Wars Story: how George Lucas and Steven Spielberg held Hollywood hostage for 20 years

Let Lucas get the rights to D&D .
A series of Good D&D movies , possibly in place of Willow
Get Richard Donner the Director of Ladyhawk , the best the 80’s fantasy films , to direct a few
Get Lawrence Watt Even who was one of the most creative author playing with the ideas and limits of Magic , to do the scripts .
Based them on the classic modules like the Greyhawk classic novels
 
Let Lucas get the rights to D&D .
A series of Good D&D movies , possibly in place of Willow
I personally like the idea of doing a better Willow. There could be room to do something with D&D in the future.

Get Richard Donner the Director of Ladyhawk , the best the 80’s fantasy films , to direct a few
Get Lawrence Watt Even who was one of the most creative author playing with the ideas and limits of Magic , to do the scripts .
Based them on the classic modules like the Greyhawk classic novels
Could you imagine Donner directing Willow?

Im also thinking now that they own DC Comics, it is time to get the rights to Superman back.

Im torn between doing an adaptation of The Dark Knight Returns or Batman: Year One, both are interesting. I do like the idea of an older Batman. Any cast ideas?
 
I personally like the idea of doing a better Willow. There could be room to do something with D&D in the future.


Could you imagine Donner directing Willow?

Im also thinking now that they own DC Comics, it is time to get the rights to Superman back.

Im torn between doing an adaptation of The Dark Knight Returns or Batman: Year One, both are interesting. I do like the idea of an older Batman. Any cast ideas?
I could see a tone down humor version of willow by Donner .
Stronger characters .
But I love to see him do a D&D film .
a better version of the movie Honor among Thieves years earlier with practical effects , not CGI
 
I could see a tone down humor version of willow by Donner .
Stronger characters .
But I love to see him do a D&D film .
a better version of the movie Honor among Thieves years earlier with practical effects , not CGI
Spielberg is honestly my go-to for Willow, and honestly most other Lucasfilm projects lol

Thanks for the input!

I hope everyone has been happy with how the project has developed so far. What do we think of the recent chapters on QUBE and Steve Jobs?
 
A thought, Spielberg was supposed to do a D&D movie but something came up, maybe another director tapped to do the next Star Wars film gets injured and they move him over to helm that. So they ask Donner to step in and it is really good so he makes a sequel. Then Spielberg steps in and makes a Dragonlance trilogy.
 
A thought, Spielberg was supposed to do a D&D movie but something came up, maybe another director tapped to do the next Star Wars film gets injured and they move him over to helm that. So they ask Donner to step in and it is really good so he makes a sequel. Then Spielberg steps in and makes a Dragonlance trilogy.
Perhaps. Although there won't be any new Star Wars movies till the 90s at least

I'm okay with other movie receiving the title of being the first fully CGI movie, but Monkey could be the second CGI movie to exist.
Possibly! Im definitely interested in alternative Pixar movies. There isnt much information out there on unrealized Pixar projects though. I wish it had a better title than "Monkey," especially as Im thinking Indiana Jones 3 is gonna be "Indiana Jones and the Monkey King."
 
Possibly! Im definitely interested in alternative Pixar movies. There isnt much information out there on unrealized Pixar projects though. I wish it had a better title than "Monkey," especially as Im thinking Indiana Jones 3 is gonna be "Indiana Jones and the Monkey King."
I'm also interested in having some alternate Pixar movies. One title idea I have for it is "Journey to the West", which is also the title of the story its based on.

You can also create Pixar films that are exclusive to this timeline as well.
 
Chapter XI

Lucasfilm Animation becomes Fandango Cartoons, 1983-1990 releases

In his role as president of Lucasfilm, Jeffrey Katzenburg was intent on delivering successes. He had been put in charge of the new animation division, and his vision was simple: attract the top talent and give them the freedom to create their best work. His first hire came after a chance meeting, arranged by mutual friends, with Richard Williams, an animator who had been working on a project since the late 1960s. Williams showed Katzenburg his progress to that point, and his storyboards for the rest of the project, and Katzenburg immediately offered to put the project into full production at Lucasfilm Animation. To announce the establishment of their studio to the world, Katzenburg and Lucasfilm CEO Michael Eisner decided a short film should be made in time to pair it with the release of Return of the Jedi.

The outcome, the short film Fandango wasn’t just directed by Richard Williams. Never keen to place all his eggs in one basket, Katzenburg held meetings with animators throughout the industry. Don Bluth sold Katzenburg on his vision for a Beauty and the Beast movie, and Katzenburg asked Bluth to co-direct the short film. The pair took an interesting approach, each responsible for certain characters’ art. The final product was dazzling, the quick turnaround unapparent. The story was of a couple meeting on the dance floor of a Tatooine cantina, and the scoundrel escaping bounty hunters with his dance partner, who he had just met and was surprised to find herself in the crosshairs of a bounty hunters blaster. Perhaps due to the wild, at times chaotic, but rewarding collaborative work, internally the studio began to refer to itself as the name of the short film, Fandango, and in 1985 the studio would officially rename itself Fandango Cartoons, a byproduct of the Steve Jobs deal.

While Bluth had gotten through the door with the idea to do an adaptation of the fairy tale Beauty and the Beast, it would be a few years before that project came to fruition. The first feature project released by Fandango hadn’t even started at the studio, Bluth originally had a deal with Paramount Pictures, but the financing was drying up. Naturally, he turned to Katzenburg, who negotiated the rights to the project away from Paramount and Bluth brought it to Fandango. The film in question was East of the Sun and West of the Moon, an adaption of the Norwegian fairy tale. It took less than a year to complete, the film entering theaters in 1984, in fact just a few months after the short film Fandango won the Oscar for Best Animated Short.

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(Art from East of the Sun, West of the Moon)

The third arm of the Fandango creative tripod was Ralph Bakshi, who came to the meeting between he and Kurtzenburg with a host of ideas. The first project that was delivered to theaters took negotiating with Middle-earth Enterprises first, in order to secure the rights to Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit. Autumn of 1984 The Return of the King (in some markets titled Lord of the Rings, Part 2) released, covering the rest of The Two Towers and The Return of the King, finally finishing the story he had started in 1978. The next year he followed it up with The Hobbit.

Also released in 1985 was Williams’ masterpiece, The Thief and the Cobbler. The film had trouble in the market at first, but after glowing review after glowing review, it finally reached #1 week 4 and had long legs after. Years later those who were children then would reminisce over viewing the film for the first time, and the countless times after on VHS. The next year it would make waves as the first animated film to be nominated for Best Picture at the Academy Awards, although it would come up short.

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(Poster of The Thief and the Cobbler)

Bluth kept a steady pace of releasing a film every two years, but his follow up to East of the Sun and West of the Moon was not Beauty and the Beast but rather The Little Blue Whale, a project he had been developing since the early 80s. Sometimes lovingly, sometimes as a criticism, the film would at times be described as “underwater Bambi.” The plot follows a blue whale calf who is left orphaned after his mother is killed by whalers. He eventually befriends a little girl who, along with some animal friends, dedicate themselves to protecting him from his mother’s killers. While some critics were undecided, the big numbers at the box office demonstrated just how much the story hit home for audiences.

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(Art from The Little Blue Whale)

In 1987, George Lucas’ vision for Howard the Duck on the big screen was finally realized. He had been developing the project for years before his death, having hired Willard Huyck and Gloria Katz to write a screenplay after finishing American Graffiti. Very early on they were advocating for the picture to be animated, believing live action would not work at all, never mind well. Marcia Lucas agreed, and while she liked their script, she sent it off to Diane Thomas for a draft. Not content, the project sat, until Steven Spielberg suggested Chris Columbus work on an updated version. It is this script that got into the hands of Bakshi, who enjoyed the absurdism and jokes that toed the line. There was little dissent that the film was a success, from critics and audiences alike.

The next year would see three major releases from Fandango, the culmination of their efforts to that point. Bluth would finally deliver upon the promise of Beauty and the Beast, the final product proving to be a stunning adaptation. The film would break records at the box office for animated films, bringing in just over $500 million worldwide. At the following years Academy Awards, viewers were shocked when Beauty and the Beast won Best Picture. Williams wouldn’t disappoint either. Upon Katzenburg’s recommendation, Williams looked to the works of Hans Christian Anderson, finally deciding upon The Little Mermaid to adapt. Although not as beloved at the box office, many argue the art of The Little Mermaid superseded Beauty and the Beast. Not to be forgotten, Bakshi released The Worm Ouroborous, based on the heroic high fantasy novel by E. R. Eddison, to solid reviews and strong audiences.

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(Poster for Beauty and the Beast)

After years of hard work, the first computer animated film would finally be released. Bluth worked diligently alongside John Lasseter and the team at Pixar to bring what had originally been Michael Jackson’s vision to the screen, sometimes while he worked on other productions. After the iconic King of Pop secured the rights to the Beatles catalogue, he approached Bluth with the idea to make a spiritual successor to Yellow Submarine. It was Bluth’s idea to forgo traditional animation and make the film with computer generated images. It wasn’t easy to get the approval to use the Beatles’ likeness, ultimately requiring LucasArts Chairman David Geffen to call in a lot of favors, and a lot of wining and dining. LucasArts President Marcia Lucas personally hosted each individual Beatle, separately. Getting the estate of John Lennon to agree was the easiest, and then Ringo agreed, and then Paul, and finally soon after George agreed. The result was Strawberry Fields Forever, the visuals wowing audiences. Ebert called it the “modern-day Fantasia.”

Strawberry Fields Forever wasn’t the only Bluth production released in 1990, he also released the traditionally animated film The Snow Queen, another Hans Christian Anderson adaptation. The stark, icy landscapes paired well with the winter temperatures, having released in the holiday season. Although Strawberry Fields Forever didn’t get a particularly wide release, it and The Snow Queen combined brought in over $500 million, cementing Bluth’s position as a money maker for the studio. Bakshi released what many consider to be his magnum opus that year: Odyssey, based on the classic Greek epic by Homer. Many critics agreed it was Bakshi’s best work yet, the culmination of all his work to that point. It did alright at the box office, making its budget back, but its prohibitive length put off some viewers, and the film would remain in the red until released on home video. Despite the critical acclaim, Bakshi would move in new directions after his version of the Odyssey released.

Feature films weren’t the only focus of Fandango Cartoons, the studio also produced several television shows for QUBE. The first of these was Star Wars: Droids and Star Wars: Wookiees, two 30 minute shows to fill what would for years be the afternoon “Star Wars block.” Over time, those shows would be replaced with the likes of Young Han Solo Adventures and Star Wars: Journal of the Whills, which took place 10,000 years before the events of the trilogy, and was about the early days of the Jedi movement and the first Sith, overseen by a young Brad Bird. Their television efforts weren’t limited to the Star Wars franchise, in fact for many years an adaptation of the comic Cerebus the Aardvark anchored a late night animation hour on the QUBE channel. Another notable series that aired during this block was Ralph Bakshi’s adaptation of The Canterbury Tales, which went on to win several Emmy Awards.

Meanwhile, Don Bluth was developing Pixar’s next project…

Films released 1983-90
Year​
Title​
Director​
1983​
Fandango (short)​
Don Bluth and Richard Williams
(co-directors)​
1984​
East of the Sun, West of the Moon
Don Bluth​
~​
The Return of the King
Ralph Bakshi​
1985​
The Thief and the Cobbler
Richard Williams​
~​
The Hobbit
Ralph Bakshi​
1986​
The Little Blue Whale
Don Bluth​
1987​
Howard the Duck
Ralph Bakshi​
1988​
Beauty and the Beast
Don Bluth​
~​
The Little Mermaid
Richard Williams​
~​
The Worm Ouroboros
Ralph Baksi​
1990​
Strawberry Fields Forever
Don Bluth​
~​
The Snow Queen
Don Bluth​
~​
The Odyssey
Ralph Bakshi​

Television shows:
  • Star Wars: Droids (1983-1989 — 7 seasons, 148 episodes)
  • Star Wars: Wookiees (1983-1984 — 2 seasons, 40 episodes)
  • Young Han Solo Adventures (1985-1986 — 2 seasons, 44 episodes)
  • Young Han Solo & Chewbacca Adventures (1987- still airing as of 1990)
  • Star Wars: Journal of the Whills (1989 - still airing as of 1990)
  • The Canterbury Tales (1988— one season, 24 episodes)
  • Cerebus the Aardvark (1988 - still airing as of 1990)


Next up: The Cradle Will Rock production (1986)
 
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Chapter XI

Lucasfilm Animation becomes Fandango Cartoons, 1983-1990 releases

In his role as president of Lucasfilm, Jeffrey Katzenburg was intent on delivering successes. He had been put in charge of the new animation division, and his vision was simple: attract the top talent and give them the freedom to create their best work. His first hire came after a chance meeting, arranged by mutual friends, with Richard Williams, an animator who had been working on a project since the late 1960s. Williams showed Katzenburg his progress to that point, and his storyboards for the rest of the project, and Katzenburg immediately offered to put the project into full production at Lucasfilm Animation. To announce the establishment of their studio to the world, Katzenburg and Lucasfilm CEO Michael Eisner decided a short film should be made in time to pair it with the release of Return of the Jedi.

The outcome, the short film Fandango wasn’t just directed by Richard Williams. Never keen to place all his eggs in one basket, Katzenburg held meetings with animators throughout the industry. Don Bluth sold Katzenburg on his vision for a Beauty and the Beast movie, and Katzenburg asked Bluth to co-direct the short film. The pair took an interesting approach, each responsible for certain characters’ art. The final product was dazzling, the quick turnaround unapparent. The story was of a couple meeting on the dance floor of a Tatooine cantina, and the scoundrel escaping bounty hunters with his dance partner, who he had just met and was surprised to find herself in the crosshairs of a bounty hunters blaster. Perhaps due to the wild, at times chaotic, but rewarding collaborative work, internally the studio began to refer to itself as the name of the short film, Fandango, and in 1985 the studio would officially rename itself Fandango Cartoons, a byproduct of the Steve Jobs deal.

While Bluth had gotten through the door with the idea to do an adaptation of the fairy tale Beauty and the Beast, it would be a few years before that project came to fruition. The first feature project released by Fandango hadn’t even started at the studio, Bluth originally had a deal with Paramount Pictures, but the financing was drying up. Naturally, he turned to Katzenburg, who negotiated the rights to the project away from Paramount and Bluth brought it to Fandango. The film in question was East of the Sun and West of the Moon, an adaption of the Norwegian fairy tale. It took less than a year to complete, the film entering theaters in 1984, in fact just a few months after the short film Fandango won the Oscar for Best Animated Short.

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(Art from East of the Sun, West of the Moon)

The third arm of the Fandango creative tripod was Ralph Bakshi, who came to the meeting between he and Kurtzenburg with a host of ideas. The first project that was delivered to theaters took negotiating with Middle-earth Enterprises first, in order to secure the rights to Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit. Autumn of 1984 The Return of the King (in some markets titled Lord of the Rings, Part 2) released, covering the rest of The Two Towers and The Return of the King, finally finishing the story he had started in 1978. The next year he followed it up with The Hobbit.

Also released in 1985 was Williams’ masterpiece, The Thief and the Cobbler. The film had trouble in the market at first, but after glowing review after glowing review, it finally reached #1 week 4 and had long legs after. Years later those who were children then would reminisce over viewing the film for the first time, and the countless times after on VHS. The next year it would make waves as the first animated film to be nominated for Best Picture at the Academy Awards, although it would come up short.

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(Poster of The Thief and the Cobbler)

Bluth kept a steady pace of releasing a film every two years, but his follow up to East of the Sun and West of the Moon was not Beauty and the Beast but rather The Little Blue Whale, a project he had been developing since the early 80s. Sometimes lovingly, sometimes as a criticism, the film would at times be described as “underwater Bambi.” The plot follows a blue whale calf who is left orphaned after his mother is killed by whalers. He eventually befriends a little girl who, along with some animal friends, dedicate themselves to protecting him from his mother’s killers. While some critics were undecided, the big numbers at the box office demonstrated just how much the story hit home for audiences.

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(Art from The Little Blue Whale)

In 1987, George Lucas’ vision for Howard the Duck on the big screen was finally realized. He had been developing the project for years before his death, having hired Willard Huyck and Gloria Katz to write a screenplay after finishing American Graffiti. Very early on they were advocating for the picture to be animated, believing live action would not work at all, never mind well. Marcia Lucas agreed, and while she liked their script, she sent it off to Diane Thomas for a draft. Not content, the project sat, until Steven Spielberg suggested Chris Columbus work on an updated version. It is this script that got into the hands of Bakshi, who enjoyed the absurdism and jokes that toed the line. There was little dissent that the film was a success, from critics and audiences alike.

The next year would see three major releases from Fandango, the culmination of their efforts to that point. Bluth would finally deliver upon the promise of Beauty and the Beast, the final product proving to be a stunning adaptation. The film would break records at the box office for animated films, bringing in just over $500 million worldwide. At the following years Academy Awards, viewers were shocked when Beauty and the Beast won Best Picture. Williams wouldn’t disappoint either. Upon Katzenburg’s recommendation, Williams looked to the works of Hans Christian Anderson, finally deciding upon The Little Mermaid to adapt. Although not as beloved at the box office, many argue the art of The Little Mermaid superseded Beauty and the Beast. Not to be forgotten, Bakshi released The Worm Ouroborous, based on the heroic high fantasy novel by E. R. Eddison, to solid reviews and strong audiences.

View attachment 829449
(Poster for Beauty and the Beast)

After years of hard work, the first computer animated film would finally be released. Bluth worked diligently alongside John Lasseter and the team at Pixar to bring what had originally been Michael Jackson’s vision to the screen, sometimes while he worked on other productions. After the iconic King of Pop secured the rights to the Beatles catalogue, he approached Bluth with the idea to make a spiritual successor to Yellow Submarine. It was Bluth’s idea to forgo traditional animation and make the film with computer generated images. It wasn’t easy to get the approval to use the Beatles’ likeness, ultimately requiring LucasArts Chairman David Geffen to call in a lot of favors, and a lot of wining and dining. LucasArts President Marcia Lucas personally hosted each individual Beatle, separately. Getting the estate of John Lennon to agree was the easiest, and then Ringo agreed, and then Paul, and finally soon after George agreed. The result was Strawberry Fields Forever, the visuals wowing audiences. Ebert called it the “modern-day Fantasia.”

Strawberry Fields Forever wasn’t the only Bluth production released in 1990, he also released the traditionally animated film The Snow Queen, another Hans Christian Anderson adaptation. The stark, icy landscapes paired well with the winter temperatures, having released in the holiday season. Although Strawberry Fields Forever didn’t get a particularly wide release, it and The Snow Queen combined brought in over $500 million, cementing Bluth’s position as a money maker for the studio. Bakshi released what many consider to be his magnum opus that year: Odyssey, based on the classic Greek epic by Homer. Many critics agreed it was Bakshi’s best work yet, the culmination of all his work to that point. It did alright at the box office, making its budget back, but its prohibitive length put off some viewers, and the film would remain in the red until released on home video. Despite the critical acclaim, Bakshi would move in new directions after his version of the Odyssey released.

Feature films weren’t the only focus of Fandango Cartoons, the studio also produced several television shows for QUBE. The first of these was Star Wars: Droids and Star Wars: Wookiees, two 30 minute shows to fill what would for years be the afternoon “Star Wars block.” Over time, those shows would be replaced with the likes of Young Han Solo Adventures and Star Wars: Journal of the Whills, which took place 10,000 years before the events of the trilogy, and was about the early days of the Jedi movement and the first Sith, overseen by a young Brad Bird. Their television efforts weren’t limited to the Star Wars franchise, in fact for many years an adaptation of the comic Cerberus the Aardvark anchored a late night animation hour on the QUBE channel. Another notable series that aired during this block was Ralph Bakshi’s adaptation of The Canterbury Tales, which went on to win several Emmy Awards.

Meanwhile, Don Bluth was developing Pixar’s next project…

Films released 1983-90
Year​
Title​
Director​
1983​
Fandango (short)​
Don Bluth and Richard Williams
(co-directors)​
1984​
East of the Sun, West of the Moon
Don Bluth​
~​
The Return of the King
Ralph Bakshi​
1985​
The Thief and the Cobbler
Richard Williams​
~​
The Hobbit
Ralph Bakshi​
1986​
The Little Blue Whale
Don Bluth​
1987​
Howard the Duck
Ralph Bakshi​
1988​
Beauty and the Beast
Don Bluth​
~​
The Little Mermaid
Richard Williams​
~​
The Worm Ouroboros
Ralph Baksi​
1990​
Strawberry Fields Forever
Don Bluth​
~​
The Snow Queen
Don Bluth​
~​
The Odyssey
Ralph Bakshi​

Television shows:
  • Star Wars: Droids (1983-1989 — 7 seasons, 148 episodes)
  • Star Wars: Wookiees (1983-1984 — 2 seasons, 40 episodes)
  • Young Han Solo Adventures (1985-1986 — 2 seasons, 44 episodes)
  • Young Han Solo & Chewbacca Adventures (1987- still airing as of 1990)
  • Star Wars: Journal of the Whills (1989 - still airing as of 1990)
  • The Canterbury Tales (1988— one season, 24 episodes)
  • Cerberus the Aardvark (1988 - still airing as of 1990)


Next up: The Cradle Will Rock production (1985)
Love the name Fandango film
Glad Thief and the Cobbler get released in this time line.
I happy Howard the Duck is an animated movie .
i really want to see Worm Ouroboros .I loved the book.

And I love to watch the Cerebus series .
how long are the episodes?
Do we get the full saga of all 300 issues adapted ?

Will we get animated movies on some of the Lucas video games?
Sam and Max?
Maniac Manson ?
Day of the tentacles?
The monkey Island series ? ( I prefer to see Monkey Islands as live action competition for Disney Pirate of the Caribbean films )

Bare Bird ?
He wanted to do a animated film based on the Will Eisner hero “ the Spirt”in the 80
Does Fangdango do it?


And how is Disney doing since Fandango just beat them to the screen with three ideas that they were talking about for a long time?
WI’ll there be a Disney animation Renaissance ?
 
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Chapter XI

Lucasfilm Animation becomes Fandango Cartoons, 1983-1990 releases

In his role as president of Lucasfilm, Jeffrey Katzenburg was intent on delivering successes. He had been put in charge of the new animation division, and his vision was simple: attract the top talent and give them the freedom to create their best work. His first hire came after a chance meeting, arranged by mutual friends, with Richard Williams, an animator who had been working on a project since the late 1960s. Williams showed Katzenburg his progress to that point, and his storyboards for the rest of the project, and Katzenburg immediately offered to put the project into full production at Lucasfilm Animation. To announce the establishment of their studio to the world, Katzenburg and Lucasfilm CEO Michael Eisner decided a short film should be made in time to pair it with the release of Return of the Jedi.

The outcome, the short film Fandango wasn’t just directed by Richard Williams. Never keen to place all his eggs in one basket, Katzenburg held meetings with animators throughout the industry. Don Bluth sold Katzenburg on his vision for a Beauty and the Beast movie, and Katzenburg asked Bluth to co-direct the short film. The pair took an interesting approach, each responsible for certain characters’ art. The final product was dazzling, the quick turnaround unapparent. The story was of a couple meeting on the dance floor of a Tatooine cantina, and the scoundrel escaping bounty hunters with his dance partner, who he had just met and was surprised to find herself in the crosshairs of a bounty hunters blaster. Perhaps due to the wild, at times chaotic, but rewarding collaborative work, internally the studio began to refer to itself as the name of the short film, Fandango, and in 1985 the studio would officially rename itself Fandango Cartoons, a byproduct of the Steve Jobs deal.

While Bluth had gotten through the door with the idea to do an adaptation of the fairy tale Beauty and the Beast, it would be a few years before that project came to fruition. The first feature project released by Fandango hadn’t even started at the studio, Bluth originally had a deal with Paramount Pictures, but the financing was drying up. Naturally, he turned to Katzenburg, who negotiated the rights to the project away from Paramount and Bluth brought it to Fandango. The film in question was East of the Sun and West of the Moon, an adaption of the Norwegian fairy tale. It took less than a year to complete, the film entering theaters in 1984, in fact just a few months after the short film Fandango won the Oscar for Best Animated Short.

View attachment 829446
(Art from East of the Sun, West of the Moon)

The third arm of the Fandango creative tripod was Ralph Bakshi, who came to the meeting between he and Kurtzenburg with a host of ideas. The first project that was delivered to theaters took negotiating with Middle-earth Enterprises first, in order to secure the rights to Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit. Autumn of 1984 The Return of the King (in some markets titled Lord of the Rings, Part 2) released, covering the rest of The Two Towers and The Return of the King, finally finishing the story he had started in 1978. The next year he followed it up with The Hobbit.

Also released in 1985 was Williams’ masterpiece, The Thief and the Cobbler. The film had trouble in the market at first, but after glowing review after glowing review, it finally reached #1 week 4 and had long legs after. Years later those who were children then would reminisce over viewing the film for the first time, and the countless times after on VHS. The next year it would make waves as the first animated film to be nominated for Best Picture at the Academy Awards, although it would come up short.

View attachment 829447
(Poster of The Thief and the Cobbler)

Bluth kept a steady pace of releasing a film every two years, but his follow up to East of the Sun and West of the Moon was not Beauty and the Beast but rather The Little Blue Whale, a project he had been developing since the early 80s. Sometimes lovingly, sometimes as a criticism, the film would at times be described as “underwater Bambi.” The plot follows a blue whale calf who is left orphaned after his mother is killed by whalers. He eventually befriends a little girl who, along with some animal friends, dedicate themselves to protecting him from his mother’s killers. While some critics were undecided, the big numbers at the box office demonstrated just how much the story hit home for audiences.

View attachment 829448
(Art from The Little Blue Whale)

In 1987, George Lucas’ vision for Howard the Duck on the big screen was finally realized. He had been developing the project for years before his death, having hired Willard Huyck and Gloria Katz to write a screenplay after finishing American Graffiti. Very early on they were advocating for the picture to be animated, believing live action would not work at all, never mind well. Marcia Lucas agreed, and while she liked their script, she sent it off to Diane Thomas for a draft. Not content, the project sat, until Steven Spielberg suggested Chris Columbus work on an updated version. It is this script that got into the hands of Bakshi, who enjoyed the absurdism and jokes that toed the line. There was little dissent that the film was a success, from critics and audiences alike.

The next year would see three major releases from Fandango, the culmination of their efforts to that point. Bluth would finally deliver upon the promise of Beauty and the Beast, the final product proving to be a stunning adaptation. The film would break records at the box office for animated films, bringing in just over $500 million worldwide. At the following years Academy Awards, viewers were shocked when Beauty and the Beast won Best Picture. Williams wouldn’t disappoint either. Upon Katzenburg’s recommendation, Williams looked to the works of Hans Christian Anderson, finally deciding upon The Little Mermaid to adapt. Although not as beloved at the box office, many argue the art of The Little Mermaid superseded Beauty and the Beast. Not to be forgotten, Bakshi released The Worm Ouroborous, based on the heroic high fantasy novel by E. R. Eddison, to solid reviews and strong audiences.

View attachment 829449
(Poster for Beauty and the Beast)

After years of hard work, the first computer animated film would finally be released. Bluth worked diligently alongside John Lasseter and the team at Pixar to bring what had originally been Michael Jackson’s vision to the screen, sometimes while he worked on other productions. After the iconic King of Pop secured the rights to the Beatles catalogue, he approached Bluth with the idea to make a spiritual successor to Yellow Submarine. It was Bluth’s idea to forgo traditional animation and make the film with computer generated images. It wasn’t easy to get the approval to use the Beatles’ likeness, ultimately requiring LucasArts Chairman David Geffen to call in a lot of favors, and a lot of wining and dining. LucasArts President Marcia Lucas personally hosted each individual Beatle, separately. Getting the estate of John Lennon to agree was the easiest, and then Ringo agreed, and then Paul, and finally soon after George agreed. The result was Strawberry Fields Forever, the visuals wowing audiences. Ebert called it the “modern-day Fantasia.”

Strawberry Fields Forever wasn’t the only Bluth production released in 1990, he also released the traditionally animated film The Snow Queen, another Hans Christian Anderson adaptation. The stark, icy landscapes paired well with the winter temperatures, having released in the holiday season. Although Strawberry Fields Forever didn’t get a particularly wide release, it and The Snow Queen combined brought in over $500 million, cementing Bluth’s position as a money maker for the studio. Bakshi released what many consider to be his magnum opus that year: Odyssey, based on the classic Greek epic by Homer. Many critics agreed it was Bakshi’s best work yet, the culmination of all his work to that point. It did alright at the box office, making its budget back, but its prohibitive length put off some viewers, and the film would remain in the red until released on home video. Despite the critical acclaim, Bakshi would move in new directions after his version of the Odyssey released.

Feature films weren’t the only focus of Fandango Cartoons, the studio also produced several television shows for QUBE. The first of these was Star Wars: Droids and Star Wars: Wookiees, two 30 minute shows to fill what would for years be the afternoon “Star Wars block.” Over time, those shows would be replaced with the likes of Young Han Solo Adventures and Star Wars: Journal of the Whills, which took place 10,000 years before the events of the trilogy, and was about the early days of the Jedi movement and the first Sith, overseen by a young Brad Bird. Their television efforts weren’t limited to the Star Wars franchise, in fact for many years an adaptation of the comic Cerberus the Aardvark anchored a late night animation hour on the QUBE channel. Another notable series that aired during this block was Ralph Bakshi’s adaptation of The Canterbury Tales, which went on to win several Emmy Awards.

Meanwhile, Don Bluth was developing Pixar’s next project…

Films released 1983-90
Year​
Title​
Director​
1983​
Fandango (short)​
Don Bluth and Richard Williams
(co-directors)​
1984​
East of the Sun, West of the Moon
Don Bluth​
~​
The Return of the King
Ralph Bakshi​
1985​
The Thief and the Cobbler
Richard Williams​
~​
The Hobbit
Ralph Bakshi​
1986​
The Little Blue Whale
Don Bluth​
1987​
Howard the Duck
Ralph Bakshi​
1988​
Beauty and the Beast
Don Bluth​
~​
The Little Mermaid
Richard Williams​
~​
The Worm Ouroboros
Ralph Baksi​
1990​
Strawberry Fields Forever
Don Bluth​
~​
The Snow Queen
Don Bluth​
~​
The Odyssey
Ralph Bakshi​

Television shows:
  • Star Wars: Droids (1983-1989 — 7 seasons, 148 episodes)
  • Star Wars: Wookiees (1983-1984 — 2 seasons, 40 episodes)
  • Young Han Solo Adventures (1985-1986 — 2 seasons, 44 episodes)
  • Young Han Solo & Chewbacca Adventures (1987- still airing as of 1990)
  • Star Wars: Journal of the Whills (1989 - still airing as of 1990)
  • The Canterbury Tales (1988— one season, 24 episodes)
  • Cerberus the Aardvark (1988 - still airing as of 1990)


Next up: The Cradle Will Rock production (1985)
Great update!

Seeing that Fandango has released three movies that Disney was thing of doing for a long time has made me want to know what’s happening with Disney even more.

There are three changes that I can think of regarding Disney without Eisner and Katzenburg:
  1. The Katzenburg cut of The Black Cauldron wouldn’t exist.
  2. Basil of Baker Street wouldn’t be renamed to The Great Mouse Detective.
  3. Mistress Masham's Repose would be made as it was Katzenburg’s dislike of the project that caused it to be cancelled in OTL.
As for Fandango themselves, it’s really interesting to see Don Bluth, Ralph Bakshi and Richard Williams working under the same roof together. I wonder if any of them would work on a project together in the future.
With DC being owned by LucasArts and Brad Bird working on Journal of the Whills, could we see Bird do Batman: TAS alongside his Spirit film?

There’s also the possibility of Bakshi’s Tattertown becoming a reality in this timeline. It could even be of the first Nicktoons.
 
Great update!

Seeing that Fandango has released three movies that Disney was thing of doing for a long time has made me want to know what’s happening with Disney even more.

There are three changes that I can think of regarding Disney without Eisner and Katzenburg:
  1. The Katzenburg cut of The Black Cauldron wouldn’t exist.
  2. Basil of Baker Street wouldn’t be renamed to The Great Mouse Detective.
  3. Mistress Masham's Repose would be made as it was Katzenburg’s dislike of the project that caused it to be cancelled in OTL.
As for Fandango themselves, it’s really interesting to see Don Bluth, Ralph Bakshi and Richard Williams working under the same roof together. I wonder if any of them would work on a project together in the future.
With DC being owned by LucasArts and Brad Bird working on Journal of the Whills, could we see Bird do Batman: TAS alongside his Spirit film?

There’s also the possibility of Bakshi’s Tattertown becoming a reality in this timeline. It could even be of the first Nicktoons.
Love to see both the unedited cut of Black Cauldron and Mistress Masham‘s Repose as films .
Wonder if the latter would be successful and if we see new versions of Whites works ?
Love to see a version of the Master , one of my favorite young adult novels .
( yes I know the BBC did a tv show of it in the 60. They also trashed the tapes in the 70’s )
 
Love the name Fandango film
Glad Thief and the Cobbler get released in this time line.
I happy Howard the Duck is an animated movie .
i really want to see Worm Ouroboros .I loved the book.

And I love to watch the Cerebus series .
how long are the episodes?
Do we get the full saga of all 300 issues adapted ?

Bare Bird ?
He wanted to do a animated film based on the Will Eisner hero “ the Spirt”in the 80
Does Fangdango do it?
22~ min episodes, standard half hour show

And ive definitely thought about doing The Spirit, that remains a possibility for the future

You mean Cerebus?

Getting the impression of LucasArts as something of a very alternate DreamWorks. Hey, the whole SKG trifecta is involved.
Cerebus indeed, silly mistake.

I love the DreamWorks name and have been considering how to use it, so don't be surprised if it still pops up. For now Spielberg is still doing his own thing at Amblin', but i imagine he would remain close with Marcia, especially once she became involved in the business.

Great update!

Seeing that Fandango has released three movies that Disney was thing of doing for a long time has made me want to know what’s happening with Disney even more.

There are three changes that I can think of regarding Disney without Eisner and Katzenburg:
  1. The Katzenburg cut of The Black Cauldron wouldn’t exist.
  2. Basil of Baker Street wouldn’t be renamed to The Great Mouse Detective.
  3. Mistress Masham's Repose would be made as it was Katzenburg’s dislike of the project that caused it to be cancelled in OTL.
As for Fandango themselves, it’s really interesting to see Don Bluth, Ralph Bakshi and Richard Williams working under the same roof together. I wonder if any of them would work on a project together in the future.
With DC being owned by LucasArts and Brad Bird working on Journal of the Whills, could we see Bird do Batman: TAS alongside his Spirit film?

There’s also the possibility of Bakshi’s Tattertown becoming a reality in this timeline. It could even be of the first Nicktoons.
I imagine we've effectively cut off the Disney Renaissance at the knees. The butterflies to Disney at this point are unimaginably long, which is partially why im hesitant to do a chapter based on Disney.

I'm glad everyone seems happy with the "Fandango" name, I was hesitant to include it.
 
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I imagine we've effectively cut off the Disney Renaissance at the knees. The butterflies to Disney at this point is unimaginable, which is partially why im hesitant to do a chapter based on Disney.
Maybe I and some other users can help you come up with some ideas.
I'm glad everyone seems happy with the "Fandango" name, I was hesitant to include it.
I like the name. It has a nice ring to it.
 
I want to know more about the Star Wars animated shows.
Same here .
How young is Hann?
Teenager?
late teen?
Or is it something like the Solo movie or the Han Solo Trilogy b6 Ann Crispin ?
Me three!

 Droids despite 7 seasons of C3PO and R2D2 shenanigans (including comical retellings of events from the Film Trilogy through their eyes), would truthfully be of varying quality, with some seasons being better than others. For kids at the time who were fans of Star Wars it would be essential viewing. I imagine the "Star Wars block" shows wouldve been advertised heavily and even drive sells for QUBE, although 3 month free trials (including installation and equipment) would certainly help too.

Wookiees although marketed more aggressively than  Droids at first, due to Return of the Jedi director David Lynch's involvement, would only last 2 experimental, controversial seasons. The avant garde  Wookiees that Lynch delivered was not what executives were exactly expecting, but he had the support of Marcia Lucas, who reportedly adored the show. The show followed a family of Wookiees, separated by the war: the bounty hunter adult son/brother, but also his mother and other siblings, even some cousins that were enslaved by the empire. Certain surprisingly long scenes of domestic life would be unfavorably compared to the Star Wars Holiday Special, although Lynch was reportedly a fan of both the old holiday special and the comparison. The show was especially notable for Lynch scoring every episode himself, including the theme tune.

The Young Han Solo Adventures would take place starting in his early 20s. Han would meet characters like Jabba the Hutt, Boba Fett, and Lando Calrissian for the first time. In fact, Han meets Chewie halfway through the second season, although the episodes were not all aired chronologically, leading to a couple bottle episodes that excluded Chewie airing after his integration into the show. Naturally from then on the show was appropriately retitled to the Young Han Solo & Chewbacca Adventures. The writing at first could be hokey, but later seasons embraced more mature stories and serialized storytelling.

The first Star Wars show really taken seriously would be Journal of the Whills, earning rave reviews. Perhaps because of it being so unrelated to the Film Trilogy, which for years had been covered by the other shows and the Marvel comics series. As mentioned in the update, the show covered the founding of the Jedi but it was especially known for its storyline about the first Sith splinter group.

I should've included this in the chapter to begin with so I'm glad you asked.
 
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QUBE channel list & notes

QUBE Cable Network
Broadcast channels (varies per region but general idea would be something like the following: )
PBS affiliate
ABC affiliate
CBS affiliate
NBC affiliate
Fox affiliate
MyNetworkTV affiliate
2nd PBS affiliate
Independent station
Independent station
Independent station

Exclusive Channels
C-1 QUBE (2 pm-4:30 pm cartoons, 4:30 pm-7 pm Vincent Price Presents, 7 pm-10:30 pm Primetime, 10:30-11:30 late night cartoons or The Tracey Ullman Show depending upon season, 11:35 pm-12:35 am The Nightly Show with David Letterman, 12:35 am-1:35 am The Nighty Nighty Show with Gilda Radner)
C-2 Regional programming (example: NYC Alive!)
C-3 Weather
C-4 News Update (6 am Morning Update, 12 pm Afternoon Update, and 6 pm Evening Update with Walter Cronkite)
C-5 ESPN (NCAA games, USFL games, Sunday Night Football games (after '87), Mets games)
C-6 Showtime (deal with Columbia Pictures for exclusive television rights to their new releases)
C-7 The Movie Channel (LucasArts EG purchases RKO film library rights from MGM)
C-8 Viewer's Choice (viewers vote between 4 movies, everyone watches whichever wins)
C-9 Nickelodeon (mainly preschool, educational, and some interactive content)
C-10 The Learning Channel (particularly known for their college courses)
C-11 MTV
C-12 VH1
C-13 QUBE Games (interactive gameshows)
C-14 Chapterhouse (choose your own adventure interactive programs)
C-15 Journey (award-winning religious programming)

Pay-per-view Channels
P-1 Sports (boxing, wrestling, etc)
P-2 Special Events (stand up, Lucasfilm movie tv premiere with special features, etc)
P-3 Adult Films

I imagine sooner rather than later most channels would be 24 hours, although for example QUBE Games likely never would be. Im not sure on the evolution of a channel like News Update, does it grow and become a Brand like CNN or how long can the 3 1-hour episodes a day format last? I probably won't be getting into the nitty gritty with things like AU programming blocks, unless there's serious interest for it, although I did list some of the shows airing on QUBE in the original chapter. I avoided including a list of channels in the chapter though and I finally got around to it. Always happy to answer questions, otherwise see you guys on Wednesday!!
 
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