The Course of Human Events
- Thread starter Lord Grattan
- Start date
- Status
In this TL Prince Edward informed the consortium desiring to form the colony of Vandalia that Queen Charlotte was not descended from the Vandals and asked them to choose a different name. They then chose Allegheny.
Cool...
Besides one thing... St. John's (PEI) has a rather small population... Why are they listed as a province?
Cool...
Besides one thing... St. John's (PEI) has a rather small population... Why are they listed as a province?
Because it had been established as a separate colony by Britain after obtaining in the 1763 Treaty of Paris, and since it was not part of the Continental Crown Lands, it was George III's decision to make, not Edward Augustus'. My only small change is that G-3 names it St. John rather than St. John's Island.
I like the inclusion. Is there some degree of anachronism, though, in the term "ethnic heritage"? I could see country of origin or place of birth, perhaps. Sets an important precedent, however, for the power of the national government to protect civil rights.
Ah! The rights aren't retained by the Provinces. Interesting.
That seems like a pretty big veto! I suppose you're refering to a scheme similar to OTL's proposed First Amendment, which by seeking to develop a constitutional scheme for representation would have greatly confused the system?
Hmm, so Quebec and Rupertsland are still British. I'll be interested to see how they fair.
RE: the II Amendment...I could not think of a 18th Century sounding term for "ethnic heritage". I was avoiding the more specific "race or skin color" wording of OTL's XIV amendment which would never have been part of a constitution in the 1780's. The amendment's intent is to cover cover Finns, Irish, French, Germans, etc. Eventually (1840's?) though, I want to have the Supreme Court rule that laws prohibiting citizens from voting because of their race or skin color are unconstitutional because their right to vote is covered by the term "ethnic heritage". I'm attempting to set up a sort of "nullification crisis" here.
Congress’ Federal City Selection Committee met throughout the fall of 1790 and by early November had narrowed its choice down to two cities: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania and Petersburg Virginia. From there the debate bogged down and opinions polarized. As Christmas approached, they were still deadlocked. Chancellor Washington was asked to intervene and to help bridge the gap between the two sides. After offering two alternate city suggestions, both of which were unacceptable to one side or the other, Washington suggested that the committee explore undeveloped sites along the shores of Chesapeake Bay or the Potomac (then spelled Patowmack) River for their suitability as a capital. Everyone agreed with this proposal and voted to reconvene at Washington’s Mt. Vernon estate the following April to tour the region. Sites in Maryland’s Dorchester, St. Marys and Prince Georges counties along with sites in Virginia’s Fairfax and Northumberland counties were explored. In June, survey teams were dispatched to examine two of the sites. Following their review of the reports, the committee unanimously recommended to the Congress that a site (approximately 36 square mile in size) along the shore of the Patowmack River in Maryland’s Prince Georges County be platted and developed as the nation’s capital city. Congress agreed and on November 3, 1791, resoundingly approved the establishment of the Federal City of Americus at the site proposed.
The capital city’s plan was largely the work of British architect and surveyor John Booth and Albionese surveyor Andrew Endicott. Construction of the Congress and Supreme Court buildings, designed by British born Albionese architect William Thornton, began in 1792. Construction on Anacostia Palace, designed by Irish architect James Hoban also began that same year. The city’s parks and the gardens at the royal palace were designed by John Bartram, Jr. and William Bartram of Philadelphia.
The capital city’s plan was largely the work of British architect and surveyor John Booth and Albionese surveyor Andrew Endicott. Construction of the Congress and Supreme Court buildings, designed by British born Albionese architect William Thornton, began in 1792. Construction on Anacostia Palace, designed by Irish architect James Hoban also began that same year. The city’s parks and the gardens at the royal palace were designed by John Bartram, Jr. and William Bartram of Philadelphia.
What if you just said heritage? Or national heritage? Or original heritage?
It's really the term ethnic that I think is problematic. Ethnic before about 1728 meant heathen. Only in the 19th century did the meaning broaden to assume that associated with ethnology and ethnography.
I was uncertain about wether you'd end up with so southern a capital, but I suppose the Martime Provinces are offset by the Floridas (though the former might be able to outvote the latter). All my objections were overcome with the name. A nice turn on the Columbia fixation of OTl.
I still think Albionese sounds very odd, but it's your TL.
Thanks. I'll change future references to this amendment to say heritage. At Albion College here in Michigan their yearbook is called "The Albionian".
.Thanks. I'll change future references to this amendment to say heritage. At Albion College here in Michigan their yearbook is called "The Albionian"
Yeah, I was thinking Albish might work. Albionian sounds a bit too...Graeco-Roman and / or upper class. Albish sounds very akin to British or English. Hence, the *Americans can be Albishmen. Now that sounds cool. If you get into the details, you might even have different classes refer to different adjectives: the upper class might prefer one (Albionian) and the lower class another (Albish). And then academics compound everything by picking yet another (Albionese).
But it's your TL; I don't want to seem naging, I'm just interested! The fact that I've spent a good five minutes soaking in the map should be a compliment, I think. Either that or it says something very off about me!
Thanks for the interest and compliments!!!! Also, I'm converted. Ambish shall be used.
No problem. Huzzah, for the Albish! (you do mean Albish, right?)
Cue Cultural note: (it's eerie how well this works, too)
An Albish tar is a soaring soul,
As free as a mountain stag,
His energetic fist should be ready to resist
A dictatorial word.
Why not Call themselves the United Kingdom of Albion? By the way I love the Albion flag much easier on the eyes than Old Glory. Even the American's state flags are more tasteful(no insult to Americans).
I wonder how no Revolution will affect France during the troubles?
I wonder how no Revolution will affect France during the troubles?
During the mid 1780’s the first of two virulent waves of small pox afflicted the Huron, Wyandot Shawnee, Miami, and Delaware Indian tribes of the Continental Crown Lands. By 1788, an estimated 50% of the native population had died. This, combined with the Continental Crown Lands Ordinance of 1788, led to great unrest and instability in the region (present day Ohio and Wabash provinces).
Further south in the Continental Crown Lands, in what became the Mississippi Territory, unaffected by the outbreaks of small pox and less impacted by the Ordinance of 1788, a series of talks between the Federal government and the Alabama Confederacy, resulted in the 1792 Treaty of Colerain. The treaty, signed on June 29, by Benjamin Hawkins and George Clymer on behalf of the government and three dozen representatives of the confederacy (including the Creek, Choctaw, Cherokee, and Chickasaw tribes). In the treaty, the tribes each recognized Albion’s sovereignty over them and settled all land claims with the royal government. Afterwards, on March 18, 1793, Congress established the Alabama Territory out of the Mississippi Territory from the Tennessee provincial line south to the 33degree 30' Parallel.
North of the Ohio River, tribal leaders refused to discuss becoming part of the realm. Several attempts to start discussions with the tribes failed. In 1789, the Huron Chief Blue Jacket told Colonel Nathan Hale, “Your new nation has as much right to this land as the British did before you and as the French did before them, which is none. This land belongs to us, the people.” Indian attacks upon White settlers in the Augusta Territory grew in number and violence in the early 1790’s. By 1792, several tribes in the region (Huron, Wyandot Shawnee, Miami and Delaware, Kickapoo, Kaskaskia, and other from the Wabash area) had begun coordinating their attacks. In response, the army’s counter attacks grew more intense. The owners of the Ohio Enterprise Land Company petitioned congressional leaders and the king to take action against “the natives who have risen up against our people.” Approximatly 1,200 White men, women and children were killed, and several hundred taken captive during these years of hostility. The Royal Cabinet, which was under great pressure to send the army in to put and end to the violence, opted to to make one last diplomatic effort before sending in the troops. Colonel Hale was dispatched to meet once again with Blue Jacket. The meeting, in July 1792, ended after Blue Jacket said to Hale, “I consider Pontiac’s Covenant Chain of Mutual Respect and Peace with you to be to be nothing but worthless paper.” Today we know the time of armed conflict that followed as the Blue Jacket Rebellion.
In response, King Edward and Secretary of War Henry Knox ordered Generals Josiah Harmer and Arthur St. Clair to launch a coordinated offensive into the Shawnee and Miami Indian country and put an end to the violence and establish a permanent federal presence in the region. In March 1793, Harmer assembled a force of 1,450 men near present day Fort Wayne, Wabash. At the same time, St. Clair assembled a force of 1,100 men near present day Dayton, Ohio. Harmer, under estimating the size of the Indian force he faced, sent only 400 of his men to attack an Indian force of 1,100 led by Little Turtle; few survived the initial battle. All totaled, over 600 soldiers, including Harmer died. St. Clair’s men suffered even more casualties when they engaged an Indian force of about 2,000 warriors led by Blue Jacket a week later. The casualty rate included 69% of soldiers and officers killed and another 24% wounded, plus nearly all of the force’s 200 man support staff were slaughtered.
Further south in the Continental Crown Lands, in what became the Mississippi Territory, unaffected by the outbreaks of small pox and less impacted by the Ordinance of 1788, a series of talks between the Federal government and the Alabama Confederacy, resulted in the 1792 Treaty of Colerain. The treaty, signed on June 29, by Benjamin Hawkins and George Clymer on behalf of the government and three dozen representatives of the confederacy (including the Creek, Choctaw, Cherokee, and Chickasaw tribes). In the treaty, the tribes each recognized Albion’s sovereignty over them and settled all land claims with the royal government. Afterwards, on March 18, 1793, Congress established the Alabama Territory out of the Mississippi Territory from the Tennessee provincial line south to the 33degree 30' Parallel.
North of the Ohio River, tribal leaders refused to discuss becoming part of the realm. Several attempts to start discussions with the tribes failed. In 1789, the Huron Chief Blue Jacket told Colonel Nathan Hale, “Your new nation has as much right to this land as the British did before you and as the French did before them, which is none. This land belongs to us, the people.” Indian attacks upon White settlers in the Augusta Territory grew in number and violence in the early 1790’s. By 1792, several tribes in the region (Huron, Wyandot Shawnee, Miami and Delaware, Kickapoo, Kaskaskia, and other from the Wabash area) had begun coordinating their attacks. In response, the army’s counter attacks grew more intense. The owners of the Ohio Enterprise Land Company petitioned congressional leaders and the king to take action against “the natives who have risen up against our people.” Approximatly 1,200 White men, women and children were killed, and several hundred taken captive during these years of hostility. The Royal Cabinet, which was under great pressure to send the army in to put and end to the violence, opted to to make one last diplomatic effort before sending in the troops. Colonel Hale was dispatched to meet once again with Blue Jacket. The meeting, in July 1792, ended after Blue Jacket said to Hale, “I consider Pontiac’s Covenant Chain of Mutual Respect and Peace with you to be to be nothing but worthless paper.” Today we know the time of armed conflict that followed as the Blue Jacket Rebellion.
In response, King Edward and Secretary of War Henry Knox ordered Generals Josiah Harmer and Arthur St. Clair to launch a coordinated offensive into the Shawnee and Miami Indian country and put an end to the violence and establish a permanent federal presence in the region. In March 1793, Harmer assembled a force of 1,450 men near present day Fort Wayne, Wabash. At the same time, St. Clair assembled a force of 1,100 men near present day Dayton, Ohio. Harmer, under estimating the size of the Indian force he faced, sent only 400 of his men to attack an Indian force of 1,100 led by Little Turtle; few survived the initial battle. All totaled, over 600 soldiers, including Harmer died. St. Clair’s men suffered even more casualties when they engaged an Indian force of about 2,000 warriors led by Blue Jacket a week later. The casualty rate included 69% of soldiers and officers killed and another 24% wounded, plus nearly all of the force’s 200 man support staff were slaughtered.
Nice update. Glad you like the song. I've been humming it under my breath for much of the evening; I've discovered that it also works with "democratic" but not as well with "socialistic".
Very glad that Nathan Hale is around. I've always had a soft spot for him.
A minor quibble, OTL Knox was pretty unknown before the crises of the 1770s led, spurred on by his support for the Sons of Liberty and his reaction to the Boston Massacre. This led to his service at Bunker Hill and thence to Ticonderoga. I suppose it's possible he's still interested in the army, but he will need to have had a very different career path to end up as Secretary of War. I have my doubts, since I've always thought Knox one of the quintessential examples of how the Revolution elevated a whole group of people who OTL might not have achieved much of historical notice.
Now since to date you've preferred to give us a high level summary you don't need to explain, since it's possible that Knox does find other outlets for an admittedly keen insight. Just thought I'd mention it.
Very glad that Nathan Hale is around. I've always had a soft spot for him.
A minor quibble, OTL Knox was pretty unknown before the crises of the 1770s led, spurred on by his support for the Sons of Liberty and his reaction to the Boston Massacre. This led to his service at Bunker Hill and thence to Ticonderoga. I suppose it's possible he's still interested in the army, but he will need to have had a very different career path to end up as Secretary of War. I have my doubts, since I've always thought Knox one of the quintessential examples of how the Revolution elevated a whole group of people who OTL might not have achieved much of historical notice.
Now since to date you've preferred to give us a high level summary you don't need to explain, since it's possible that Knox does find other outlets for an admittedly keen insight. Just thought I'd mention it.
You're probably right about Knox. I toured his home in Vermont once as a child and have always remembered the tour guide telling us that he died after swallowing a chicken bone.
- Status