Machine gun fire remains undefeated against elan. Of course, France will just try harder next time, I'm totally sure that will be the ticket to success.
.....The germans are already about to break. Just one more push and France will be victorious.


Machine guns? No it was lack of morale that held French troops back just as cardona proves
Nonsense, the French already proved that they are better than those failed confederates....
Well here comes the meat grinder. If we’re lucky Stephanie Clement gets shot by a German in the event he vists the troops
He'll make it to the end of the war if only to see Belgium get....well, crushed, for lack of a better word.
 
Wonder what this does for French Mindset, knowing that they can't blame degenerate secular republican modernism - who gets to own natalism as a political issue? The secular left? The colonial lobby? More moderate conservatives of the Anglophile or (quietly) Germanophile variety? Even more ultramontaine Catholics?

Definitely opens up the "we have become...... a people confused" space
Well the non ultra-montaine Catholics for only have 4 kids rather than 12 kids? I wonder what "Every Sperm is Sacred" sounds like in French...
 
The Treacherous Teutons once again display their utter lack of martial vim hiding behind their lowly fortifications and digging into their mud pits like the barbarians they are. The men of France the heirs of Caesar and soldiers of Christ will surely prevail.
 
The Treacherous Teutons once again display their utter lack of martial vim hiding behind their lowly fortifications and digging into their mud pits like the barbarians they are. The men of France the heirs of Caesar and soldiers of Christ will surely prevail.
should someone mention this France attack with the largest tank and air force on Earth? General Estienne says hello. Just saying. :angel:
 
should someone mention this France attack with the largest tank and air force on Earth? General Estienne says hello. Just saying. :angel:
Doesn't really mean they know how to use them at the beginning of the war, it is implied that combined arms is more of mid to late war thing, also these are ww1 era tanks reliability is the biggest killer here.
 
Doesn't really mean they know how to use them at the beginning of the war, it is implied that combined arms is more of mid to late war thing, also these are ww1 era tanks reliability is the biggest killer here.
This world has had large scale industrial war with tanks, aircraft, heave artillery and poison gas on a WW1 scale already in North America. These are not 1914 armies that go to war.
 
This world has had large scale industrial war with tanks, aircraft, heave artillery and poison gas on a WW1 scale already in North America. These are not 1914 armies that go to war.

Yes, but they also aren't 1940 armies. A lot of these tools are more developed than at this point in OTL but they're still pretty early in their development. Plus while the parties involved have seen how they were used in the GAW, that doesn't mean they've integrated them tactically in a way that works well yet.
 
A thought, prior to the GAW, the southernmost point in the US was at the California/Mexico/Pacific tri-point. (the California/Mexico border is *not* exactly EW). What is it considered now?
A) Still that.
B) the southern edge of the formerly Confederate Arizona (including Otl Arizona/New Mexico/Mexico tripoint), which means no single southernmost point.
C) the US enclave in New Orleans
D) US Controlled Key West?

I'm guessing the answer is B, but not sure. (And yes, the line in B probably does wiggle, but that can be dealt with by the US and Mexico.
 
A thought, prior to the GAW, the southernmost point in the US was at the California/Mexico/Pacific tri-point. (the California/Mexico border is *not* exactly EW). What is it considered now?
A) Still that.
B) the southern edge of the formerly Confederate Arizona (including Otl Arizona/New Mexico/Mexico tripoint), which means no single southernmost point.
C) the US enclave in New Orleans
D) US Controlled Key West?

I'm guessing the answer is B, but not sure. (And yes, the line in B probably does wiggle, but that can be dealt with by the US and Mexico.
I think if we're defining US territory as including it's leased possessions, ala New Orleands then it might be the leased territory of the Zhoushan/Chusan Islands south of Shanghai off the coast of Ningbo in China.
 
It must be sad for French policymakers to know that no matter how much France industrializes and modernizes, the country will still lag behind Germany for the simple fact that its population grows much more slowly.
It’s definitely a major problem that will be even worse ITTL (even though up until now French growth rates have been a hit higher than OTL)
Wonder what this does for French Mindset, knowing that they can't blame degenerate secular republican modernism - who gets to own natalism as a political issue? The secular left? The colonial lobby? More moderate conservatives of the Anglophile or (quietly) Germanophile variety? Even more ultramontaine Catholics?

Definitely opens up the "we have become...... a people confused" space
Colonial lobby strikes me as the immediate answer, though
Well the non ultra-montaine Catholics for only have 4 kids rather than 12 kids? I wonder what "Every Sperm is Sacred" sounds like in French...
Were even the French Catholic right having that many children IOTL? Quebec, France was not
Okay so, can we expect some Franco-German landship encounters?
Definitely, though not in the Eifel
Doesn't really mean they know how to use them at the beginning of the war, it is implied that combined arms is more of mid to late war thing, also these are ww1 era tanks reliability is the biggest killer here.
Indeed
This world has had large scale industrial war with tanks, aircraft, heave artillery and poison gas on a WW1 scale already in North America. These are not 1914 armies that go to war.
Yes, but they also aren't 1940 armies. A lot of these tools are more developed than at this point in OTL but they're still pretty early in their development. Plus while the parties involved have seen how they were used in the GAW, that doesn't mean they've integrated them tactically in a way that works well yet.
Indeed true. What I’d also point out is that observations from the GAW may have led to different conclusions in terms of doctrine than learning from firsthand experience in Flanders such as IOTL
I think if we're defining US territory as including it's leased possessions, ala New Orleands then it might be the leased territory of the Zhoushan/Chusan Islands south of Shanghai off the coast of Ningbo in China.
Good point on Chusan, thought i understood the comment to be asking about NorAm and so I’d say Key West
@KingSweden24 Are questions pertaining to Volume I still valid to ask (if so, where)?
I'm currently working on turning this TL (at least Volume I) into a map in a relatively obscure game :)
DMs would be the place
 
I was thinking; it is likely that come the 1950s the people behind the FAL will be under the German sphere, meaning that we could get an 7,92x57mm FAL, which would be amazing.
 
Ferdinand: The Last Emperor
"...quite famously, the Emperor, especially as Crown Prince, had been amongst the greatest skeptics of a general war on Austria's part, and had even been a dovish skeptic of the intervention in Serbia in 1911-13. He may have been politically reactionary and a centralizing conservative, but he was not an adventurist, that much was clear.

Nonetheless, war had arrived thanks (in Ferdinand's view) to the militancy of the French and he was not going to let the war go to waste. Uniquely amongst the belligerents, Austria had few if any territorial goals to attain or achieve; Vienna had little interest in absorbing more troublesome Italians and if there were to be any border revisions with Germany, they would be minor ones at best. While some planners had dreamed of detonating the Reich into smithereens and re-imposing Austrian influence over Bavaria and the other Catholic South German states, that went out the window with the Hofburg Affair. Rather, the goal from the get-go was to end any German auspices of unilateral intervention and political interference in Central Europe and the Balkans for good, and cripple Italy economically and militarily to end any threats to Istria and Trent. As such, the military strategy for Austria was simple - hold Germany in the Bohemian passes and upon the Inn River, and then massively attack Italy across the Isonzo River and southeastwards from Trent. The goal, and hope, was to draw the Italian Army in, defeat it in the vicinity of Udine with overwhelming numbers, and then cut off its route of retreat across the Piave by seizing the high grounds of the Asiago Plateau and the massif of Monte Grappa immediately to its south, from which that valley could be controlled.

Ferdinand was skeptical that this plan would be as easy as Dankl and others suggested it would be, as aware as anyone else of Italy's rapid rearmament starting in early 1917 over concerns of France's growing technological and naval edge, but approved the plan. Because in the end, as the first weeks of the war proved, the goal for Austria was not a military victory so much as a unifying political one; tens of thousands of volunteers rallied to the call across both halves of the Empire, with the Honved as eager to march to glory as anyone else. Magyarism seemed snuffed out, at least in that instant, and quite suddenly the culmination of the crisis begun in the days after his succession seemed to require the war to continue and, most importantly, the war to be won.

As such, on March 15, 1919, the Austrian elite Alpenkorps launched a massive attack from their primary base at Trent, using sparing air cover to harass Italian defenders, with the main thrust aimed at Asiago and a smaller mobile mountaineer division attacking from their high ground towards the plateau of Feltre and Santa Giustina, from which the headwaters of the Piave flowed. The next day, March 16, came the main attack, with over a million men, split roughly evenly from the two halves of the Habsburg Empire, crossing the symbolic border of the Isonzo (Suca in Slovene) into the teeth of Italy's prepared forward defenses, which while stoutly-built were underequipped in terms of modern guns; they were aided by an artillery barrage as well as naval and aerial bombardment beyond anything modern European armies had yet experienced. The goal was to take Udine within five days, and to seize Treviso within twenty, and after the success of overrunning a number of Italian fortresses in the first day of the war, Vienna was optimistic that the knockout against the Italians would, indeed, work.

Austria would not just sit on the defensive in the Bohemian passes mowing down Germans as they attacked into chokepoints - they had a war to win..."

- Ferdinand: The Last Emperor

(Up next - the Austrian offensive of mid-March from the Italian perspective)
 
"...quite famously, the Emperor, especially as Crown Prince, had been amongst the greatest skeptics of a general war on Austria's part, and had even been a dovish skeptic of the intervention in Serbia in 1911-13. He may have been politically reactionary and a centralizing conservative, but he was not an adventurist, that much was clear.

Nonetheless, war had arrived thanks (in Ferdinand's view) to the militancy of the French and he was not going to let the war go to waste. Uniquely amongst the belligerents, Austria had few if any territorial goals to attain or achieve; Vienna had little interest in absorbing more troublesome Italians and if there were to be any border revisions with Germany, they would be minor ones at best. While some planners had dreamed of detonating the Reich into smithereens and re-imposing Austrian influence over Bavaria and the other Catholic South German states, that went out the window with the Hofburg Affair. Rather, the goal from the get-go was to end any German auspices of unilateral intervention and political interference in Central Europe and the Balkans for good, and cripple Italy economically and militarily to end any threats to Istria and Trent. As such, the military strategy for Austria was simple - hold Germany in the Bohemian passes and upon the Inn River, and then massively attack Italy across the Isonzo River and southeastwards from Trent. The goal, and hope, was to draw the Italian Army in, defeat it in the vicinity of Udine with overwhelming numbers, and then cut off its route of retreat across the Piave by seizing the high grounds of the Asiago Plateau and the massif of Monte Grappa immediately to its south, from which that valley could be controlled.

Ferdinand was skeptical that this plan would be as easy as Dankl and others suggested it would be, as aware as anyone else of Italy's rapid rearmament starting in early 1917 over concerns of France's growing technological and naval edge, but approved the plan. Because in the end, as the first weeks of the war proved, the goal for Austria was not a military victory so much as a unifying political one; tens of thousands of volunteers rallied to the call across both halves of the Empire, with the Honved as eager to march to glory as anyone else. Magyarism seemed snuffed out, at least in that instant, and quite suddenly the culmination of the crisis begun in the days after his succession seemed to require the war to continue and, most importantly, the war to be won.

As such, on March 15, 1919, the Austrian elite Alpenkorps launched a massive attack from their primary base at Trent, using sparing air cover to harass Italian defenders, with the main thrust aimed at Asiago and a smaller mobile mountaineer division attacking from their high ground towards the plateau of Feltre and Santa Giustina, from which the headwaters of the Piave flowed. The next day, March 16, came the main attack, with over a million men, split roughly evenly from the two halves of the Habsburg Empire, crossing the symbolic border of the Isonzo (Suca in Slovene) into the teeth of Italy's prepared forward defenses, which while stoutly-built were underequipped in terms of modern guns; they were aided by an artillery barrage as well as naval and aerial bombardment beyond anything modern European armies had yet experienced. The goal was to take Udine within five days, and to seize Treviso within twenty, and after the success of overrunning a number of Italian fortresses in the first day of the war, Vienna was optimistic that the knockout against the Italians would, indeed, work.

Austria would not just sit on the defensive in the Bohemian passes mowing down Germans as they attacked into chokepoints - they had a war to win..."

- Ferdinand: The Last Emperor

(Up next - the Austrian offensive of mid-March from the Italian perspective)
No battle plan survives contact with the enemy...

Or so it is said at any rate, and I have the sense that will apply here.
 
"...quite famously, the Emperor, especially as Crown Prince, had been amongst the greatest skeptics of a general war on Austria's part, and had even been a dovish skeptic of the intervention in Serbia in 1911-13. He may have been politically reactionary and a centralizing conservative, but he was not an adventurist, that much was clear.

Nonetheless, war had arrived thanks (in Ferdinand's view) to the militancy of the French and he was not going to let the war go to waste. Uniquely amongst the belligerents, Austria had few if any territorial goals to attain or achieve; Vienna had little interest in absorbing more troublesome Italians and if there were to be any border revisions with Germany, they would be minor ones at best. While some planners had dreamed of detonating the Reich into smithereens and re-imposing Austrian influence over Bavaria and the other Catholic South German states, that went out the window with the Hofburg Affair. Rather, the goal from the get-go was to end any German auspices of unilateral intervention and political interference in Central Europe and the Balkans for good, and cripple Italy economically and militarily to end any threats to Istria and Trent. As such, the military strategy for Austria was simple - hold Germany in the Bohemian passes and upon the Inn River, and then massively attack Italy across the Isonzo River and southeastwards from Trent. The goal, and hope, was to draw the Italian Army in, defeat it in the vicinity of Udine with overwhelming numbers, and then cut off its route of retreat across the Piave by seizing the high grounds of the Asiago Plateau and the massif of Monte Grappa immediately to its south, from which that valley could be controlled.

Ferdinand was skeptical that this plan would be as easy as Dankl and others suggested it would be, as aware as anyone else of Italy's rapid rearmament starting in early 1917 over concerns of France's growing technological and naval edge, but approved the plan. Because in the end, as the first weeks of the war proved, the goal for Austria was not a military victory so much as a unifying political one; tens of thousands of volunteers rallied to the call across both halves of the Empire, with the Honved as eager to march to glory as anyone else. Magyarism seemed snuffed out, at least in that instant, and quite suddenly the culmination of the crisis begun in the days after his succession seemed to require the war to continue and, most importantly, the war to be won.

As such, on March 15, 1919, the Austrian elite Alpenkorps launched a massive attack from their primary base at Trent, using sparing air cover to harass Italian defenders, with the main thrust aimed at Asiago and a smaller mobile mountaineer division attacking from their high ground towards the plateau of Feltre and Santa Giustina, from which the headwaters of the Piave flowed. The next day, March 16, came the main attack, with over a million men, split roughly evenly from the two halves of the Habsburg Empire, crossing the symbolic border of the Isonzo (Suca in Slovene) into the teeth of Italy's prepared forward defenses, which while stoutly-built were underequipped in terms of modern guns; they were aided by an artillery barrage as well as naval and aerial bombardment beyond anything modern European armies had yet experienced. The goal was to take Udine within five days, and to seize Treviso within twenty, and after the success of overrunning a number of Italian fortresses in the first day of the war, Vienna was optimistic that the knockout against the Italians would, indeed, work.

Austria would not just sit on the defensive in the Bohemian passes mowing down Germans as they attacked into chokepoints - they had a war to win..."

- Ferdinand: The Last Emperor

(Up next - the Austrian offensive of mid-March from the Italian perspective)
Capporetto and Asiago's mixture.
Interesting.
Wonder if France would launch an offensive in tandem.
 
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