Lands of Red and Gold
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It seems they start out as a major faction within the Nangu, who embark on a level of inter-family cooperation not formerly seen. It's not a perfect analogue, but I see some parallels with the Hanseatic League.
Also, things are looking dire on the Island, so I'd hazard a guess that non Nutanna Nangu aren't going to have much more of an impact on history, even if they survive as a distinct people.
I'm sure other groups will interbreed with the Nutanna. But keep in mind that only two of the four (soon to be six) families relocate to Cape York. And we know the Nutanna probably remain a recognizable ethnic group in TTL's modern day, suggesting they retain cultural cohesion at least over the next few centuries.
I'm not sure of the full sailing times, but it wasn't by sail powered boats, not paddle powered canoe. The later Maori used large canoes (waka) with lots of warriors that were paddled along the coast during raids, but the early Maori who came to NZ sailed there using the traditional Polynesian navigational package.
I'm not sure of the full list, but wattles would definitely be among them. Red yams and murnong don't really grow in the tropical climate, so they wouldn't have made it.
Quolls probably would have, since they are small enough to be relatively easy to transport, and would help on the islands to keep down the Polynesian rat population. Also hell for the local birds and so on, but c'est la vie.
That would certainly explain a lot; the proto-Maori set out with pigs, chickens and dogs, but by the time they got to New Zealand, the pigs and chickens had already turned into dinner.
Quite important. I'm not sure whether sailing to NZ would be ideal conditions or not. May well depend on the voyage. It is still quite a long trip, though.
Double-hulled, with both hulls being expanded for storage, and multiple decks between the hulls where more things are stored. Their sails are most similar to a two-masted version of the Bermuda rig.
This will make some differences in terms of cannibalism, but the modern *Maori xenophobia has much to do with population pressure. There's enough people and pressure that raids are a constant fact of life, and can happen either by land or by sea. So they're quite hostile to pretty much any foreigners, albeit not for exactly the same reasons as in OTL.
There's certainly a prospect for that kind of trade, although I think that jeeree will be the obvious trade good to exchange. As to whether this will stop Japan manufacturing guns, while I'm no expert on Japanese history, it was my understanding that what they did was mostly to severely restrict would could manufacture them.
That might still happen ATL; only a couple of licenced manufacturers for muskets and cannon, perhaps?
Yup. Kumgatu's three great voyages have already been described: circumnavigate Aururia; voyage to Batavia; voyage to the Philippines and Japan (well, the Ryukyus).
He is, however, a cultural hero to multiple Plirite peoples. The Congxie in North America (and perhaps one other group there, too), various peoples in Aururia itself, and some of the Plirite groups in Africa. Kumgatu himself never makes it to Africa, though.
Kumgatu will still have a local role to play, amongst the Nuttana. After these three voyages, though, he's reached the point where he doesn't need to risk himself on new voyages anymore. Further trading visits to Batavia, perhaps, but mostly he can sit at home, let others take the risks, and enjoy some of the rewards.
'Tis a very interesting question. I'd be inclined to say that mostly it will happen further east, but I'm not completely sure.
Muslims would certainly be quite resistant to conversion to anything else. Historically speaking, there aren't many examples of Muslim populations converting to anything else without something like forced conversion or worse. Christian populations would also be fairly resistant, I expect, if such populations have been established before other contact.
For the rest, though, especially Papua (and the Solomons further east), it's a whole other story.
To a certain degree, the Nuttana will be interested in the smaller island trades. (Although I'm not sure how much they will trade for in Papua itself - depends on the goods and what can be offered in exchange.)
The complication is how much the Dutch try to stop them, on the principle of trying to maintain exclusivity of trade. This also depends on the broader question of Dutch relations with the Nuttana and how much they put up with them. Of which more anon.
Japan, in particular, is one of those places where I'd be interested to find out the answer but not at all sure that I know enough to come up with a plausible scenario.
On the one hand, Plirisim doesn't have the same perceived threat of foreign loyalty that Catholicism had, ie there's no equivalent to the pope or view that converts to Plirism would act as agents for Nuttana influence. The Nuttana pose no conceivable political or colonial threat to Japan, and that's a point which is entirely obvious.
On the other hand, Plirism is an exclusive religion, and its adherents would probably treat Buddhism and Shintoism as being, well, inferior. Not completely abandoned - Buddha would be viewed as another good moral teacher, just one who didn't get it quite right - but still something which may upset Japan's Buddhist temples.
So I'm not sure how that one would play out.
I do like to include the occasional alternative historical name for countries, where one exists.
This is one of these complex questions which can be variously answered "it depends who you ask" and "it depends at what point in time".
The Nuttana start out as a trading association, a subgroup of the Nangu who are trying to establish better terms for trade. However, life on the Island being what it is turning into, a lot of them leave for places like Wujal, which are more secure.
The people who live in Wujal are turning into a syncretic culture, but at least for a long time, there will be people who think of themselves as Nangu, and others who thing of themselves as Nuttana. Their language is something of a mixture: Nangu base, but with considerable Kiyungu borrowings.
The two big influences are Nangu and Kiyungu; while there will certainly be others involved in the longer term, the majority of cultural influence comes from those two cultures.
Quite a list, in the long term. I'm not sure how quickly they will spread, though. What will mostly be brought over are also not so much staple crops as specialist crops. That is, the bulk of the calories will still come from kumara, lesser yams, wattles, and taro, most of the time. But crops like mung beans (and thus bean sprouts! yum!) and bananas will make it over.
Sugar cane is also an obvious import to make it in time, although growing it will probably require a more secure Nuttana presence, so it may take a while.
Yup, that's how they begin. With a trading outpost in far north Queensland which will grow to be much more useful than they've anticipated.
Well, the Island is in for a world of hurts, one way or another. The Nangu will survive in some form on the Island itself, but with extreme difficulties. But some of the Nangu may well relocate elsewhere and also have influence (albeit it not in the same way as the Nuttana). There has been an ATL book cited which was called "People of the Seas: The Nangu Diaspora" (by Accord Anderson). Accord himself is Congxie, but it certainly looks like he was referring to other peoples, too.
Only two of the families have relocated to Cape York by 1644, but that's still a huge step in a decade or so. Others may well follow, over time.
And yes, the Nuttana in some form will survive down to the modern day, although that doesn't necessarily mean political cohesion.
pike
Banned
Jared great update
Have you any idea what will be the impact of Aururian good reaching Japan?
I am hoping that the qulity of the Aururian goods reaching the Japenese will impress them so much they might allow more trade.
I am guessing that Aururian contact with the Chinese will happen soon?
Are the new single hull ships made of the same wood as the Aururian catamarans are made of?
Have you any idea what will be the impact of Aururian good reaching Japan?
I am hoping that the qulity of the Aururian goods reaching the Japenese will impress them so much they might allow more trade.
I am guessing that Aururian contact with the Chinese will happen soon?
Are the new single hull ships made of the same wood as the Aururian catamarans are made of?
mojojojo
Gone Fishin'
Will they think of importing Water Buffalo? Or would transporting them be too much trouble?
fascinating.. wow... it goes leftfield, I like it. Unexplored branching of alternate history...
Love this thread and Im happy to see it back. Now if only Zach would update Napoleon...
Several, but at least three kinds of trade goods will be valued enough to be considered worth importing: jeeree (lemon tea), pepperbushes/sweet peppers, and kunduri. How much of those goods will be traded depends on quite a few other factors, but at least the potential is there.
Japan will certainly find some of them useful. As to whether they will allow more trade, well, I'm not sure. Japan allowed a fair amount of trade in OTL - more than might be realised - but it was carefully controlled on Japan's terms, not anyone else's. Japan basically traded as much as it wanted (or at least, its government wanted).
Aururian goods are certainly useful, but with the possible exception of bullion (if the Nangu are trading it), not really essential to Japan's economy. As I understand it, one of the many reasons for closing off most foreign contact was to stop silver being drained out of the country. (And if I have it right, this still didn't succeed entirely, since silver continued to leak out through Korea).
Aururia has plenty of gold and silver, which would be useful in Japan. Of course, the Europeans will be rather heavily competing for that, too.
Indirectly, the Nuttana already have contact with China. The Ryukyu Islands (Okinawa et al), were at this point tributaries to both Japan and China. Being tributaries let them trade with China.
Direct contact with China will probably follow soon enough, but it should also be pointed out that China is a mess at the moment. This period was around when the Ming Dynasty fell in OTL. Some of the details of that have been affected - the delay in Japan restricting trade means that there's still silver flowing into China from there, which helps the currency problems a bit - but the effects of the Aururian plagues on top of what was already an economically troubled and agriculturally difficult time has not been pleasant.
The new greater-ships are actually still double-hulled. I may not have written that entirely clearly (I'll look back on the post and edit it if necessary), but the Nangu are still pretty scornful of single-hulled ships for major trade. They see them as slower and less manoeuvrable. These attitudes may change over time, but for now the Nangu are still building double-hulled ships.
What the Nangu have taken from European contact so far is basically three things: better use of sails (twin masts, headsails); the broad idea of bigger ships; and navigational improvements, principally the compass but also some chart-making.
In terms of timber, the Nangu use quite a few kinds, depending on location. The ones made in *Cooktown are constructed from a variety of tropical timbers; basically anything near the river which can be chopped down and floated easily. The ones made in the south are mostly made from various Casuarina trees (sheoaks or ironwood, they're also called) which give very good timber. Some of them are made using mature eucalypts, too.
They'll probably think of importing animals sooner or later. Water buffalo aren't the only species of interest, though. Horses and cattle would have their attractions too.
fascinating.. wow... it goes leftfield, I like it. Unexplored branching of alternate history...
Glad you like it. I figured this was an unexpected but plausible outcome of the TL.
I'll see what I can do with more updates of this TL, but can't do much to help with the other.
Lands of Red and Gold #50: A Necklace of Pearls
Lands of Red and Gold #50: A Necklace of Pearls
“If the United Netherlands can prosper so after seventy years of war, what will she accomplish after seventy years of peace?”
- Attributed to Frederik Hendrik, Prince of Orange, after the signing of the Peace of Hamburg (1638) saw Spain recognise the independence of the Dutch Republic
* * *
“Wherefore it be said, we will never make war with the Hollanders, for we are of the same faith. Nay, for we still worship God, they have turned to gold.”
- William Cavendish, 1st Duke of Newcastle-upon-Tyne, and Duke Regent of England, 1643
* * *
“Holland is a country where the demon gold is seated on a throne of cheese, and crowned with kunduri.”
- Claudius Salmasius, a Huguenot exile teaching at the university of Leyden, 1647
* * *
“There is hardly a single Hollander of any consideration in Java, who does not have a concubine – a way of life that is deplorable, and which can give very little inducement to the natives to become converts to our religion.”
- Anonymous Dutch minister of the Reformed Church, shortly after arriving in the East Indies
* * *
“Peer review can be said to have existed ever since people began to identify and communicate what they thought was new knowledge, because peer review (whether before or after publication) is an essential and integral part of consensus building and is integral and necessary to the growth of scientific knowledge.
In the stricter sense of formalised review of a professional’s findings by a group of their peers, albeit in a post-publication context, peer review seems to have begun with the physicians of Tjibarr, Gutjanal and Yigutji...”
- From The History of Medicine
* * *
“A traveller has a destination, a student has only a journey.”
“Fear not change; without change, nothing can take place.”
“All men are joined together; teach them, spurn them or punish them, but you cannot remove them.”
“The longest journey begins when a man looks inside himself.”
- From Oora Gulalu [The Endless Road]
* * *
“No gains of mere conquest or triumphs of will could have brought as much lasting wealth to the Danes as the introduction of what was, if seen from above the ground, merely an oddly-shaped dandelion.”
- Jesper Pontoppidan, Norse and Syd
* * *
“Sicily is a large island, but not large enough to hold that man’s ego.”
- Ferdinando III de’ Medici, Grand Duke of Tuscany, after first meeting Lorenzo Piazzi, the Advent revolutionary turned King of Sicily
* * *
“Bohemia is the axle on which the wheel of Europe turns.”
- Maximilian III, Grand Duke of Bavaria (among other titles), speaking on the eve of the Nine Years’ War
* * *
“For every state, from the smallest to the greatest, the principle of enlargement is the fundamental law of life.”
- Christian Albert I, Elector of Saxony, My Times and Testament
* * *
“Practice not usury. Interest is false money. No man should lend for reward unless he also accepts the risk.”
- From Good Man, Good Life
* * *
“By machines mankind is able to do that which their own bodily powers would never effect to the same extent. Machines are the product of the mind of man, and their existence distinguishes the civilised man from the savage.”
- Rene Michaux, pioneering industrialist
* * *
“Society unravels in this modern age. As we learn to do more with machines, we forget more of what it means to be men.”
“A mill [factory] is a means for concentrating the labour of many into the wealth of one.”
“A man who works for wages is scarce more than a slave. A farmer finds food, hearth and home on his own land. An artisan works for himself. Yet a labourer in mill or workshop serves at the bidding of another. If he is fortunate, he will be given enough coin to survive, but not to thrive. If he is unfortunate, he will be cast aside, bereft of food or shelter.”
“Alone, a wage-labourer weeps at a world which is cast out of balance. Never can a man in cloth cap stand equal to a man who wears a ruby. Only when the labourers stand together can harmony be restored.”
- Myumitsi Makan, better known in English as Solidarity Jenkins
* * *
“How can they claim to be one nation under God when they can’t give you a straight answer as to whether they have only one god?”
- “Sweet” Como Wiradjuri, retiring ambassador to Alleghania, on his return home
* * *
“A great cause needs great men.”
- Tjewarra (“strong heart”), Atjuntja activist
* * *
“Nia, Paluna, na Umoja.” (Strong will, decisiveness, and unity [1].)
- Motto of the African Liberation Army
* * *
“Old Man Keribee always said that Gideon and Samson are the only two men worth remembering in the Jewish [ie Old] Testament. If I can’t be like Gideon for his life, I can be like Samson for his death.”
- From the last letter left by Ngengi wa Lemaron, for his parents
* * *
[1] This motto is in Swahili, the allohistorical version of which includes the borrowed word “paluna” (decisiveness).
* * *
Thoughts?
“If the United Netherlands can prosper so after seventy years of war, what will she accomplish after seventy years of peace?”
- Attributed to Frederik Hendrik, Prince of Orange, after the signing of the Peace of Hamburg (1638) saw Spain recognise the independence of the Dutch Republic
* * *
“Wherefore it be said, we will never make war with the Hollanders, for we are of the same faith. Nay, for we still worship God, they have turned to gold.”
- William Cavendish, 1st Duke of Newcastle-upon-Tyne, and Duke Regent of England, 1643
* * *
“Holland is a country where the demon gold is seated on a throne of cheese, and crowned with kunduri.”
- Claudius Salmasius, a Huguenot exile teaching at the university of Leyden, 1647
* * *
“There is hardly a single Hollander of any consideration in Java, who does not have a concubine – a way of life that is deplorable, and which can give very little inducement to the natives to become converts to our religion.”
- Anonymous Dutch minister of the Reformed Church, shortly after arriving in the East Indies
* * *
“Peer review can be said to have existed ever since people began to identify and communicate what they thought was new knowledge, because peer review (whether before or after publication) is an essential and integral part of consensus building and is integral and necessary to the growth of scientific knowledge.
In the stricter sense of formalised review of a professional’s findings by a group of their peers, albeit in a post-publication context, peer review seems to have begun with the physicians of Tjibarr, Gutjanal and Yigutji...”
- From The History of Medicine
* * *
“A traveller has a destination, a student has only a journey.”
“Fear not change; without change, nothing can take place.”
“All men are joined together; teach them, spurn them or punish them, but you cannot remove them.”
“The longest journey begins when a man looks inside himself.”
- From Oora Gulalu [The Endless Road]
* * *
“No gains of mere conquest or triumphs of will could have brought as much lasting wealth to the Danes as the introduction of what was, if seen from above the ground, merely an oddly-shaped dandelion.”
- Jesper Pontoppidan, Norse and Syd
* * *
“Sicily is a large island, but not large enough to hold that man’s ego.”
- Ferdinando III de’ Medici, Grand Duke of Tuscany, after first meeting Lorenzo Piazzi, the Advent revolutionary turned King of Sicily
* * *
“Bohemia is the axle on which the wheel of Europe turns.”
- Maximilian III, Grand Duke of Bavaria (among other titles), speaking on the eve of the Nine Years’ War
* * *
“For every state, from the smallest to the greatest, the principle of enlargement is the fundamental law of life.”
- Christian Albert I, Elector of Saxony, My Times and Testament
* * *
“Practice not usury. Interest is false money. No man should lend for reward unless he also accepts the risk.”
- From Good Man, Good Life
* * *
“By machines mankind is able to do that which their own bodily powers would never effect to the same extent. Machines are the product of the mind of man, and their existence distinguishes the civilised man from the savage.”
- Rene Michaux, pioneering industrialist
* * *
“Society unravels in this modern age. As we learn to do more with machines, we forget more of what it means to be men.”
“A mill [factory] is a means for concentrating the labour of many into the wealth of one.”
“A man who works for wages is scarce more than a slave. A farmer finds food, hearth and home on his own land. An artisan works for himself. Yet a labourer in mill or workshop serves at the bidding of another. If he is fortunate, he will be given enough coin to survive, but not to thrive. If he is unfortunate, he will be cast aside, bereft of food or shelter.”
“Alone, a wage-labourer weeps at a world which is cast out of balance. Never can a man in cloth cap stand equal to a man who wears a ruby. Only when the labourers stand together can harmony be restored.”
- Myumitsi Makan, better known in English as Solidarity Jenkins
* * *
“How can they claim to be one nation under God when they can’t give you a straight answer as to whether they have only one god?”
- “Sweet” Como Wiradjuri, retiring ambassador to Alleghania, on his return home
* * *
“A great cause needs great men.”
- Tjewarra (“strong heart”), Atjuntja activist
* * *
“Nia, Paluna, na Umoja.” (Strong will, decisiveness, and unity [1].)
- Motto of the African Liberation Army
* * *
“Old Man Keribee always said that Gideon and Samson are the only two men worth remembering in the Jewish [ie Old] Testament. If I can’t be like Gideon for his life, I can be like Samson for his death.”
- From the last letter left by Ngengi wa Lemaron, for his parents
* * *
[1] This motto is in Swahili, the allohistorical version of which includes the borrowed word “paluna” (decisiveness).
* * *
Thoughts?
mojojojo
Gone Fishin'
Would I be right in thinking Myumitsi Makan is going to be a rather important fellow? Another cool English name for him would be Brown Jenkin! It works on several levels
Channeling Cromwell here a bit.
Ah, the more things change...
Is there another Navigation Act in the wings?
Also:
Dutch trying to convert the natives seems unlikely. Anyway, the VOC would put a stop to it immediatey: religious upheavel is bad for trade.
At least you show where all the Indos come from.
Grand Duke.
It seems Bavaria has received an upgrade. Will it replace the Archduchy of Austria?
To be honest, Frederick Henry doesn't strike me as the guy for such a speech, but maybe he had it in himself.
Will we soon find out if in this reality he was actually succesful in his attempts to take Antwerp?
Internal (and thus foreign) politics in the Netherlands will depend a lot on who survives all the Aurorian plagues. William II was already shortlived in OTL, so I think we can disregard him. And a stadholder becoming king of England (as William III) will be unlikely this time around. Interesting!
He looks like an earlier TTL Labour inspirer and ideologue.
This makes think of an TTL analogue of the USA.
The Eastern Africa is possibly the focus of most anti-colonial activity in Africa.
Keep it up, Jared!
History never stops happening; nor does allohistory, I guess.
Seriously, though, yes, this post was meant to be more of a teaser than anything else. Plus, given it was post #50, it seemed sort of appropriate to give some glimpses into the broad sweep of the future of the TL.
Only hints, really, but to be honest, hints are what I have to give for most of it. I don't have a detailed picture of what the future of LRG will be like, because the changes are just so massive that I can't sketch them out in much detail. At some point, the whole TL is going to move pretty much to 'broad sweep of history' mode anyway. That or jump forward in time quite a while and give a more detailed view of a particular slice of the future.
Yes. This much is pretty much certain. *Australia has a lot of gold, just for starters. Plus kunduri, which has a cash potential to rival tobacco. And sweet peppers, which are in a pretty good position to overtake what was in OTL pretty much the most valuable spice (black peppers).
Well, yes, being much more filthy rich than all of your neighbours is not necessarily a good thing. Particularly if it makes all of your neighbours envious, and those neighbours outnumber you by a rather hefty margin.
Yes. Not quite Karl Marx level of importance, but still, a Man Who Matters (tm).
Another cool English name for him would be Brown Jenkin! It works on several levels
Not a bad idea, but I also rather like the various puns, allusions and allohistorical irony which will come out of the name Solidarity, too.
Wasn't particularly deliberate, in this case. This was one of the few quotes in this post I more or less made up from scratch, rather than being a tweaked historical quote (or verbatim), or at least one which was vaguely inspired by OTL quotes.
What I was mostly going for in Cavendish's case was a reflection of changed historical circumstances; this is a man who in this TL has turned more to religion as a result of what he's witnessed in the Aururian plagues and the despair they brought. I doubt that the OTL Cavendish would have said anything like this.
Could be, could be. If it does, of course, well... OTL saw three Anglo-Dutch Wars as it was.
Given what's been more or less implied already, it wouldn't be giving too much away to say that the VOC and the EIC are going to be fighting an undeclared war very soon. They started that in OTL anyway, although it's been delayed ITTL due to the absence of the Amboyna Massacre, the plagues, and the other flow-ons from Aururian contact. They will certainly be trying to use native proxies in Aururia (although Tjibarr, at least, will be quite capable of using Europeans for their own purposes, too), as one element of a wider struggle.
As to whether that will lead into broader, official war, well, it's pretty much inevitable at some point at least once. Probably more than that.
Oddly enough, that was one of the quotes which were verbatim from OTL It was said by Reverend Francois Valentjin in 1706. The man himself has been butterflied away, of course, given the date in which he wrote in OTL, but I figured that the general sentiment was around.
I agree that the VOC ain't going to be allowing too much focus on converting the natives, though.
Why, yes. Yes, it has. And as mentioned, Grand Duke of Bavaria is not Maximilian III's only title. He, at the very least, holds the Palatinate too (or most of it), and is an Elector. I just haven't figured out enough about *HRE politics yet to decide whether he will hold an Electoral title through the Palatinate or through Bavaria.
In passing, while there's a lot going on in the Nine Years' War, one of the critical differences of opinion is certainly who should hold the throne of Bohemia, and Maximilian III is one of the prime contenders.
Perhaps, in time. At some stage, there will be both a Grand Duke of Bavaria and an Archduke of Austria. As to whether both of them continue, well, see Nine Years' War above, and Christian Albert I, Elector of Saxony, may also have some views on the matter.
I doubt he would either, really, but allohistory seems to have pinned it on him anyway. (It was the only quote in the post which was 'attributed' to someone rather than being described a genuine quote). As to why people in TTL would want to attribute that quote to him, well... that would be telling.
Whenever I get around to finishing the post which describes the future of Europe, yes. I'm still bouncing ideas off various people. And figuring out what's likely to happen in a place as complex as the hundreds of rulers in the Holy Roman Empire is a bit of a pain, too.
The only people I've really worked out in the Netherlands as to whether they survived or not were Frederik de Houtman (who died), and Frederik Hendrik (who survived). The others will probably be decided by the same random method which I used for most of Europe (except for a few of the Habsburgs, and Messr. G. Adolphus.
A personal union between England/Britain and the Netherlands is certainly less likely ITTL - it's probably plain enough that relations between England and the Netherlands aren't going to be the friendliest for a while.
TTL's ideologies don't map entirely onto OTL, of course, but he's certainly a very strong labour organiser, and his philosophy could be considered as a strain of syndicalism.
Alleghania has been hinted at in various post in OTL (particularly #40 with its hints about the future of the TL). While I'm not saying a lot about what Alleghania is, as described in that post, part of its creation involved a union between *Virginia (mostly free farmers and so forth) and "Cavendia" (including, at least, *South Carolina, and noted for rich slave-owning planters).
What I can say is that Alleghania certainly does not stretch from sea to shining sea. No nation in modern *North America, save whatever becomes of *Mexico, can make that claim.
Certainly is... Some of their methods are considered quite shocking, too.
Keep it up, Jared!
More is coming, as always. With the usual time constraints, of course.
Yes, there are going to be lots of incidents...
I have quickly read updates, but... I wonder what is going on in Europe, France specially.
I'm slowly working this out in the background, with the help of a couple of people who are discussing ideas. I have to admit that the HRE, in particular, just gives me a headache when I try to work it out.
With France, there will be more detail when I complete a post on the broader world, but in essence, the Huguenots are able to put up a better fight since the siege of La Rochelle fails, and Henri, Duke of Rohan lives for a while longer. Without Richelieu, I'm not yet sure how leniently the Huguenots will be treated when they are eventually forced to terms.
There's also one rather significant butterfly in keeping England and France at war for a year or two more, but all in good time...
Um, wait, when did England and France go to war? I thought Charles I was still reigning, he had some interest in peace with France, and meanwhile everyone is ganging up on the Dutch? Obviously there is no Grand Alliance to crush the Netherlands, given that they survive and evidently prosper--or if there is one it's a fiasco.
So what have I forgotten about this Anglo-French war that I have no clue about?
So what have I forgotten about this Anglo-French war that I have no clue about?
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