Independent Manchuria
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It's definitely possible for "Manchuria" to be independent in the sense that it's run by the Chinese Communists while the rest of China is under Nationalist control. But its formal name would likely just be the "People's Republic of China" and it wouldn't be Manchurian at all except for the minority living there. Probably people in the West would call it "Manchuria" for a generation or two before some scholarly types point out that it's better called "North China" or "Communist China" and everyone calls it that instead after the major media change their wording.
If I'm not mistaken, Manchuria in 1945 was still majority Manchu at that point and without immigration from the rest of China it could stay that way.
A scenario of an "independent" (puppet state) Manchuria always amazes me. Let's say it lasts all the way to the 21st Century. How do the Manchus identify themselves on the global stage?
It stopped being majority Manchu in around 1900. In the late 1800s the Qing dynasty opened it up to Han Chinese immigration to counter Russian attempts to take it over, and they came gushing in from the heavily overpopulated Yellow River valley. By 1930 most of its 30 million people were already Han.
When the Japanese ran the place they called all the Chinese "Manchurians" to maintain the fiction that it was a Manchurian empire. This is possibly where the confusion comes from.
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Not anywhere like that. Manchuria was almost completely sinified already during Qing dynasty. Japanese government just called that as Manchukuo as attempt to dfference the region the rest of China.
If the CCP is destroyed in the encirclement campaigns then he isn't unlikely to do so.
They're majority Han Chinese so their culture is similar but it depends on who takes over.
Maybe Manchur-Chinese SSR... (Also ethnic Karels were minority in Karelo-Finnish SSR)
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Manchuria had being Chinese-majority since sometime in the mid-late 19th century
by the 20th century it was a super majority, ethnic Manchus were something like 5% of the population by WWII IIRC
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Taiwan and Singapore are the template for how the culture of a Chinese majority state look outside of traditional China proper
By the 21st century globalized media means they are likely to be culturally similar (they'll both listen to BTS or whatever) but very likely to have different national identities.
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Taiwan and Singapore have a very different culture, the first is different than mainland China from the beginning while in Singapore they are merchants who immigrated.
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100 years ago maybe, today not so much insofar you are talking about Taiwanese cities and Singapore
nowadays ppl with same language consume the same culture
Unlikely imo, plus the Karelo-Finnish SSR was set up just in case the Soviets managed to occupy substantial, if not all, parts of Finland. It was abolished in the 50s for being too useless.
Not only was Manchuria as a whole majority Han by 1900, Liaoning, southern Manchuria, that whole area around the Yellow Sea, bridging to Korea, including Mukden/Shenyang and the Kwangtun/Guangdon peninsula, *that* had been majority Han for at least 500 years. The Han exclusion only ever applied north of it, and was marked by a "Willow Palisade".