nova2010
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What the impact cultural, economicaly, socially and militarly?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIDQtNGRWIY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIDQtNGRWIY&feature=related
If CSA had won?
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Delvestius
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Not much, to be honest. They would have to overdraw their resources, leading to a lasting detriment from the onset of their independence, if the war were to last even a little more than a year. Most likely it would collapse into a federated state with about as much cohesion as the Holy Roman Empire had. The condition of the country in comparison to the union in both internal health and external influence (economic and political) is akin to the situation of North and South Korea. Eventually they'd come crawling back to the union.
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And the same cliches always comes up again and again...
Fascist CSA
CSA Cuba, Sonora, Chihuahua
CSA existing more then 10 years.
A few of the recent (past few months) threads RE: Victorious CSA ...
Foreign Relations of an Independent Confederacy?
https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=215924
Confederate States of America: An Inviable Nation?
https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=98946
How bad would the financial situation be for an independent CSA?
https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=207766
Economy of an Independent Confederacy:
https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=196634
David S Poepoe
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The biggest impact culturally would been in Alternative History where the question would be 'WI the CSA had lost?'
Tho perhaps there it would be agreed upon that nothing is inevitable and 'could' and 'possible' do exist.
I'd go with "slow-motion collapse," with a lot of anti-freedom shenanigans in the meantime.
(Not just of blacks, but of dissident whites too. White Republicans weren't treated kindly by the Southern Democratic Party Machines either.)
Of course, as others have said, this gets discussed a lot.
(Not just of blacks, but of dissident whites too. White Republicans weren't treated kindly by the Southern Democratic Party Machines either.)
Of course, as others have said, this gets discussed a lot.
I still want to see a TL where a revolution occurs in a victorious CSA, preferably a communist revolution with whites and blacks working together to overthrow the evil planters and all that jazz. That would be pretty cool.
Yes, but some things are so unlikely that they might as well be impossible. The odds of the CSA winning is probably around that of getting a inside straight in 5 card stud, while that of the CSA winning and banning slavery within 20 years or being financially viable is probably around that of getting an inside straight flush and the chances of it it winning, banning slavery within 20 years and being financially viable is probably around that of getting an inside royal flush.
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The south is as ideologically bound to slavery as the Soviet Union is to Communism. Slavery will persist for at least three generations (into the 1930s).
The CSA will essentially face war with the United States as an imminent danger for its entire existence. This means it must maintain a large standing army. This army is the greatest unifying force of Confederate Power, and with few other institutions to support it, the CSA probably turns into either a military dictatorship or perhaps an analog into the PRI.
Culturally, the United States is going to be more German (and more friendly towards Germany), the Confederacy will obviously ally with whatever they can get. Frankly, the confederates may be so feeble that they need to garrison foreign troops on their soil.
The Confederacy remains agarian, perhaps ending slavery in the 1950s after the nation is placed under economic siege. Even still, the people of Dixie will enjoy lynching "uppity" blacks and disenfranchising them to the present day.
The Confederacy winds up being a worse place to live than Mexico, and less developed. Traditions loosely kept in OTL (IE, poor education, a belief in minimial social services, anti-union views, women belong in the kitchen) would at best be unmitigated, at worst they'd be utterly rampant.
So, instead of OTL's sun belt and the whole stereotype of being a "hillbilly" as mostly just a meme, that would be closer to reality.
To the Southron, they'd think they'd have the best place on Earth. Simple pride would reject the notion that they'd do better in their northern neighbor, despite said neighbor having ten times their gross domestic product per capita.
Or, in a FAR BETTER CASE for them all, the Union comes back for them. Maybe its the land borders that never work out, or perhaps it's the CSA's inability to counterbalance the USA's increasing economy and its army, or even the CSA finds the queen mother of all slave revolts deliberately being funded by American and Canadian abolitionists.
The Confederacy would have been tried and failed. Instead of it dying in its original war, it led to a brief continuation of the Southern System--and then died. The South is further behind in this sort of late reunion scenario, but there is less ardor for a free Confederacy: It doesn't work well, if at all!
In short, most people savvy with history would be craving OTL over ITTL.
yourworstnightmare
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CSA keeps slavery for a while, since it makes little sense abolishing it when they fought their war of independence for it. At some point it start to shift from chattel slavery to peonage and debt slavery.
They will remain a poor backward nation. Their borders will pretty much be the same as when their independence was won (they aren't powerful enough to expand).
They will remain a poor backward nation. Their borders will pretty much be the same as when their independence was won (they aren't powerful enough to expand).
NomadicSky
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Thats a stupid piece of shit movie. Absolutely no logical thought was put into it, they even got the flag wrong.
yourworstnightmare
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That movie was an ASB festival. You should invent a drinking game, where you take a drink (preferably vodka) for every ASB in that movie.
I can't argue with that. The movie was a piece of crap made by someone with little knowledge of history.
David S Poepoe
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Unlikely yes, impossible no. Nothing is impossible, unless the world you live in is without butterflies.
Highly, highly, highly unlikely is more like it if the POD is after 1860.