How Silent Fall the Cherry Blossoms

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Remember that Swedish vessels were inspected by the Germans as well as the British. They had to stop at both the German control station and the British control station. Anything military or military/industrial related would probably be regarded as contraband.

This question has intrigued me and I've been doing some searching but I really can't find much about Swedish exports during the war to places other than Germany. Swedish ships did sail to North America in order ship goods home but I can't find any info on what they were allowed to export.

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I don't know about the US but I remember reading a few years back about exports to the UK. Think it was mainly specialised materials, ball bearing and Bohor's guns. Some were flown out but most came on very high speed ships that generally managed to break the German blockade IIRC.

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So they are going to hijack a swedish cargo vessel ? using submarines ? Wow.

I suspect that the Swedish ship will be taken over when it checks in at the German control station. The ship would then proceed to the British control station for inspection and the secret cargo transferred from one of the submarines sometime after leaving the control station. The second sub would be an escort/escape vessel. My best guess.
 

Archibald

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I suspect that the Swedish ship will be taken over when it checks in at the German control station. The ship would then proceed to the British control station for inspection and the secret cargo transferred from one of the submarines sometime after leaving the control station. The second sub would be an escort/escape vessel. My best guess.

Good point, your hypothesis sounds more realistic than mine.
 
Good point, your hypothesis sounds more realistic than mine.
Possible. It's certainly better than trying to take it over on the high seas, but there are still big problems - notably that there really aren't going to be very many Swedish ships going transatlantic, and the captain/crew are going to be well known to the contraband control staff. A new crew is going to get extra attention, and there's a difference between a crew "well versed in handling cargo vessels" and professional crew. Odds are they'll have a couple of Norwegians in the control station, so the crew accents need to be spot on too.
 
Possible. It's certainly better than trying to take it over on the high seas, but there are still big problems - notably that there really aren't going to be very many Swedish ships going transatlantic, and the captain/crew are going to be well known to the contraband control staff. A new crew is going to get extra attention, and there's a difference between a crew "well versed in handling cargo vessels" and professional crew. Odds are they'll have a couple of Norwegians in the control station, so the crew accents need to be spot on too.

True, but I don't know that the crew would be "well known". Britain never declared a formal blockade against Germany in WWII. It simply announced that all ships headed to Axis countries were subject to examination for contraband, a list of which was published. The control point in the Orkneys was used for all vessels entering or leaving the North Sea therefore there would be a number of ships there at any time (though probably quite a few less by late 1944). All the ship had to do was sail to the roadstead, anchor, hoist a flag indicating that they were ready for inspection and wait for the boarding party. The RN vessels and personnel at the station who provided the boarding parties were not assigned permanently but only served varying tours of duty. Swedish traffic seems to have averaged about 10 ships a month (5 either way). So it would depend upon the luck of the draw and plausibility of any explanations required as well as the quality of the documents.

Edit: Sweden also appears to have had a problem with crew jumping ship in various ports. So new crew may not be that unexpected.
 
I don't know about the US but I remember reading a few years back about exports to the UK. Think it was mainly specialised materials, ball bearing and Bohor's guns. Some were flown out but most came on very high speed ships that generally managed to break the German blockade IIRC.

I did find a web site that states that Sweden's primary export to countries other than Germany was paper and wood pulp. Of course this would be on the inspected ships not the blockade runners.
 

Geon

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Washington/Montana/and Moscow

Here is the latest update:
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Date: November 22, 1944
Location: Washington, D.C.
Time: 9:00 a.m. [EST]

NATJAB met for its regular morning meeting not knowing about the developments occurring in Montana.

As far as the team could tell the number of infected were slowly declining throughout the U.S. Numbers of new cases were now on the decline in all the cities, even Detroit. The patient zero for Detroit had finally been tracked down. As was feared he was already dead. He was a mid-level plant manager who had recently taken a trip to Los Angeles to help correct some faults in aircraft engines that had been manufactured at the Ford plants. He had been in Los Angeles during the Japanese raid and had returned to Detroit according to his neighbors two days afterward. He had been ill when he had gone to work two days later and had been sent home to get some rest. That had been the last anyone had heard from him until a concerned neighbor in the apartment complex he lived in had called the police. She had not heard from him for a few days even when she had gone to knock on his door. The police had investigated and found the body of the unfortunate man. An autopsy stated he had likely been dead at least 24 hours by the time he was found. By that point however many people in the plant had been infected. Fortunately it was hoped the number of infected would now begin to decline in Detroit as well.

The team looked at the score sheet and felt confident enough to send a report to the President informing him that they believed the worst was finally over and with any luck the outbreaks would decline and all be contained before the end of the year.

The Score Sheet:

Cities/ Number of Casualties/ Deaths/ Special
Los Angeles/ 2,400/ 279
St. Louis/ 168/ 80
New York/ 138/ 51
Seattle/ 15/ 10/ contained
Portland/ 10/ 8 contained
Youngstown/ 16/ 10
Detroit / 50/ 20
San Bernardino/ 3/ 1/ contained
San Francisco/ 6/ 3/ contained
Chicago/ 2/ 1/ contained
Oakland/ 2/ 1/ contained
Atlanta / 1/ 1/ contained
Total Infected: 2,811 Total Deaths: 465

Date: November 22, 1944
Location: Peter Ander’s ranch in Montana
Time: 9:00 a.m. [CST]

Peter Anders’ ranch was now a virtual bivouac for FBI agents, state police, and agents from the Department of Agriculture. He and his sons had been asked to confine themselves to the house while they were interviewed by the FBI, and the agents from the Dept. of Agriculture. Meantime still more agents were examining the strange item Peter had discovered.

Now, one of the FBI agents came in to talk with Peter. Peter was told that he and his sons needed to be taken to a local hospital and examined, “to be on the safe side.” Peter had of course heard about the raids out west by the Japanese now 17 days ago and immediately wondered if he and his boys were infected. The FBI agent, one Andy Pruitt* reassured Peter, “We don’t think it’s the same thing that hit Los Angeles. What it is we aren’t quite certain yet, but we need to have you examined and we need to quarantine your cattle herds for now and have a veterinarian check on them. In addition we’ll be moving the object off of your property and sending it back east to be examined by experts.” Peter didn’t argue. The fact that the herds had to be quarantined worried him. They were his livelihood and that of his family. But if this were something aimed at them, better to find out now and deal with it rather then wait until something happened.

By noon an army truck specially prepared with a sealed cab arrived and the object was carefully loaded into it by special army technicians wearing gloves and masks. The object would then be taken to Butte, Montana and by nightfall a specially requisitioned army air transport would be taking the object back to Fort Detrick for further study.

Peter Anders’ would turn out to be a lucky man. After the true nature of the balloon was discovered it was also determined that most of his cattle had not been infected. After he and his cattle were vaccinated against the anthrax contained in the infected corn seeds he would find he would lose only a half dozen head to the disease. Other ranchers around him however would not be so fortunate.

Date: November 22, 1944
Location: Moscow, USSR (The Kremlin)
Time: 3:00 p.m. (Moscow Time)

In the Kremlin Yuri Gorkov was reporting personally to one of the most powerful men in the Soviet Union, Foreign Minister, Vyacheslav Molotov. The Trans Siberian Express had arrived several hours earlier and now Luis Fernandez was preparing for the next stage of his journey via plane to Ankara and then to Lisbon. Gorkov had managed to arrange just enough red tape to keep the Portuguese ambassador in Moscow for a few hours while he made his report.

The fact that the ambassador of Portugal to Japan had suddenly asked for Soviet assistance in speedily getting out of Japan and that he had some vital information for his government had set off some alarm bells in the Kremlin. Intelligence had hinted that Luis had met with a very high ranking Japanese official before he had left to return to Lisbon. What the meeting had been about was of course unknown but any meeting that prompted Portugal’s ambassador to seek to leave Japan with some sort of confidential documents was something that needed to be investigated.

“This much we have been able to determine comrade Defense Minister,” Gorkov said. “First, the documents carried by Ambassador Fernandez are of such a sensitive nature that he allows no one access to them. He keeps the briefcase with him at all times, even when he sleeps and the key as well. Attempts to gain any information from him proved futile. However, we had a little more success with the guards.” Gorkov smiled as he remembered sharing some good Spanish wine with the two embassy guards during the times they guarded the Ambassador’s sleeper during the night. A bottle or two of good wine and some friendly conversation could do wonders in opening up tight lipped people. “This much we have learned. Ambassador Fernandez met with a high ranking Japanese official under extremely secretive measures. Who and what that meeting was about we do not know but we do know that Ambassador Fernandez is returning to Lisbon and will be asking the Foreign Minister there to immediately arrange a meeting with the American ambassador.” After a moment Molotov spoke, “You are certain about this meeting with the American Ambassador?” “Yes comrade, that much I was able to determine,” replied Gorkov.

Foreign Minister Molotov was already considering the ramifications of this. The reasons for this private meeting could be many but one possible reason stood out and was very worrisome. Was Japan perhaps preparing to negotiate a peace with the West? There had been rumors that several high ranking members of the government in Tokyo were looking for some way to end the war now while Japan still had some leverage at the negotiating table, especially after their rather audacious raid on Los Angeles of several days ago. If Japan negotiated peace with the Allies now then once German surrendered the Soviets would be unable to invade Manchukuo and Japanese occupied China to expand their influence in the Far East, not without angering their “allies.”

The Foreign Minister turned to Gorkov and said, “You have done well comrade. The information you have gathered could prove to be very important. You may leave and I will tell your supervisor to put a special commendation in your file.” Beaming, Yuri Gorkov bowed and left Molotov’s office. After he had gone the Foreign Minister touched the button on his intercom to his secretary. “Contact Premier Stalin and tell him I have some important information for him.”
 
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Artatochor

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Now, the Soviets know. I wonder what is their plan of action. Would they ever consider a spy operation to destroy the briefcase? Or open up negotiations with Japan themselves?
 

Garrison

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I have a feeling the Soviets are going to interfere in this mission in a singularly ill-thought-out manner.
 

Garrison

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Now, the Soviets know. I wonder what is their plan of action. Would they ever consider a spy operation to destroy the briefcase? Or open up negotiations with Japan themselves?

I think they are going to sabotage the mission but mainly so Japan doesn't make peace with anyone.
 
I think it's funny how careful the Russians are, in a way. They are scared that Japan will actually succeed in making peace with the US, and they are overestimating the strength of the Kwantung army. Conquering Manchuria at any point in the war (except maybe 1942-43) would have been a simple matter.
 
There's precious little chance that America will accept anything less than unconditional surrender and probably even less that Hirohito could deliver it given the numbers of bushido fanatics in the military. But this could further increase the mistrust between the Allies which has big implications for the post war world.
 
I think it's funny how careful the Russians are, in a way. They are scared that Japan will actually succeed in making peace with the US, and they are overestimating the strength of the Kwantung army. Conquering Manchuria at any point in the war (except maybe 1942-43) would have been a simple matter.

This is a very complex Interaction the Soviet play here.
USSR main goal is to defeat the Third Reich and conquer it.
But also to expand this territory and gain influence.

Like in China were communist Mao zedong fight the Japanese occupants.
if USSR would invade Manchukuo and Japanese occupied China and they have then Mao as enemy !
A other problem is that USSR need the supply of allies to win the War, so Stalin try to please then.
and USA would be not very happy with soviet communist invading China, what they consider as there market...


Noch 25 Tage bis "Unternehmen Die Wacht am Rhein" und "Unternehmen Trojanischer Sieg".
 
Getting caught...

If the Soviets get caught trying to delay information about the plague, and the American public finds out about it, that's a catastrophe for Stalin. The American people may consider him an acomplice--and Churchil, at least, would encourage any thoughts along those lines (I think Truman might, too...)

Heck, if the Americans were mad about Pearl, it's nothing compared to what's going to be happening now--even without the USSR and Germany being added to the "naughty" list.

Keep this coming!! :)
 
I cannot think of anything Sweden would be exporting to the USA right now, and if the ship was coming over in ballast to pick up cargo even a superficial look will notice that she will be further down in the water than she should be with cargo aboard. I doubt she would be manifested for a major US port like Boston, NYC, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Norfolk all very busy with war activity. It's not totally out of the range of possibility that she might be headed to Wilmington, NC or Charleston, SC.

If I were Doenitz, I mght very well have the escorting sub officered and crewed by very reliable Kriegsmarine personnel...and somewhere in the Atlantic the Trojan seahorse gets torpedoed and lost with all hands, hit a floating mine or sub detected by allied air who hit Swedish ship...lots of plausible excuses for the oops.
 
There is always something Sweden can export to the US. My grandparents and great-grandparents lived in a Swedish village in western Kansas. If nothing else, there is always a market for Swedish cultural goods for export to Swedish-Americans.
 
If the Soviets get caught trying to delay information about the plague, and the American public finds out about it, that's a catastrophe for Stalin. The American people may consider him an acomplice--and Churchil, at least, would encourage any thoughts along those lines (I think Truman might, too...)

I'm not sure how Soviets exactly would get caught with delaying anything. Everything that happened in the USSR could be attributed to red tape and war measures. Besides, even if American Intelligence community suspects anything this is not an information they would share with the public, especially as it concerns an "ally".
 
getting caught

I'm not sure how Soviets exactly would get caught with delaying anything. Everything that happened in the USSR could be attributed to red tape and war measures. Besides, even if American Intelligence community suspects anything this is not an information they would share with the public, especially as it concerns an "ally".

I don't think that they would get caught--but if they DO get caught, things will get even uglier.
 
General LeMay was not a war criminal. Period. He carried out the missions given him.

Although I don't like the way this war is going so soon, I completely agree. In a total war like WW2 which is won as much by civilian production as by battlefield skill, the precedent had long been set that mass bombing of civilian targets with the main intent of terrorizing and killing non-combatants was an established war-winning strategy. Everybody with the capacity to do it did it - it just happened that the US and RAF were better equiped to do it on a huge scale than the Japanese and Germans (whether or it's actually true bombing cities wins wars is another issue).
 
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