Challenge: Creole State

Any ideas for a TL with a successful Creole/Quadroon/Escaped Slave republic centered on a unified Hispaniola and French Louisiana?
 
Sounds like a decent Haiti-wank should do the trick...

How about letting Toussaint Louverture succeed in conquering and holding on to all of Hispaniola?
 
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Creole includes white French speakers too, doesn't it?

- First, the thirteen colonies split instead of becoming the United States. That helps take away the problem of a huge expansionistic Anglophone juggernaut taking over North America.

- Second, the French keep the Louisiana Territory, and the black population there grows larger than the white population (including slaves as well as free blacks). There might also be a large mixed race population.

- The revolt in Haiti carries out as normal, and the Louisana black population joins in as will. An independent republic forms which may be based on Port-Au-Prince or New Orleans.

- The unassimilated white population flees for the American states or to Europe. Likewise, fugitive slaves from the American states seek refuge west of the Mississippi.

It might also help to prevent the Acadian settlement of Louisiana.
 
Considering the Haitians kicked out all the whites after the revolution, it would be hard to have a white Creole state in Haiti. Change that bit, and you might do better.
 
Considering the Haitians kicked out all the whites after the revolution, it would be hard to have a white Creole state in Haiti. Change that bit, and you might do better.

Creole, in this context, is any person of mixed White, African and/or Amerindian ethnic background. ITTL, these Creoles and the Africans would rule the state, though i suppose in the beginning, the ligter-Creoles would rule solely...
 
Creole, in this context, is any person of mixed White, African and/or Amerindian ethnic background. ITTL, these Creoles and the Africans would rule the state, though i suppose in the beginning, the ligter-Creoles would rule solely...

The Haitians kicked out most of the light creoles too! The only people left were the darker creoles and the blacks. The darker creoles ruled the country for much until 1946, until the first black President was elected.

The Dominican Republic also could be considered a creole republic. There is a small white minority, a large majority of mixed races individuals, and a larger minority of blacks.
 
The Haitians kicked out most of the light creoles too! The only people left were the darker creoles and the blacks. The darker creoles ruled the country for much until 1946, until the first black President was elected.

The Dominican Republic also could be considered a creole republic. There is a small white minority, a large majority of mixed races individuals, and a larger minority of blacks.

ITTL, by the modern day, most of the Haitians/Louisianaise would be mixed race...so I think more whites and Spanish Creoles come before independence, and stay because there is more of a pride in being of BOTH races, perhaps?! ITTL, I'd think the Dominican Republic and Cuba would come under sway of the State as well, though perhaps it should be called the Antillean Republic?
 
ITTL, by the modern day, most of the Haitians/Louisianaise would be mixed race...so I think more whites and Spanish Creoles come before independence, and stay because there is more of a pride in being of BOTH races, perhaps?! ITTL, I'd think the Dominican Republic and Cuba would come under sway of the State as well, though perhaps it should be called the Antillean Republic?

Well, originally Haiti did include the Dominican Republic... It might be easy enough to have them keep it, but Cuba would be harder to make happen.
 
As much as it can...perhaps giving GB some in the north for an alliance
Hm... now, how will this nation resist a Texas-style temptation to allow white Americans to settle some of their marginal territories? (Contrary to the popular belief of American pioneers defying government orders and settling lands illegally, most got permission from someone first) Such an idea would be hard for any sane government to resist, and will almost certainly lead to disaster when the Creole state starts trying to enforce certain laws on the north...
 
I came up with this...it would be circa 1880


***Race in Louisiana & Saint-Domingue: The Creole Idea, or "L'Idée Créole," is that eventually all persons in Louisiana & Saint-Domingue, and immigrants, will intermarry amongst themselves and the Creoles, eventually making everyone Creole. Thus positive-reproduction is practiced, and the only discrimination, legally, is against those considered "Non-Native."

Creoles-français~ Francophone Creoles of European, African, and Amerindian background; Consider themselves to be their own race native to the New World, range in skin tone from light to dark; Top tier of Louisianan society; Freedmen of Color often married into Creole families following the Revolution, forming the medium-colored Creole elite, resulting in the elimination of that society.

Creoles-espagnols~ Hispanophone Creoles of European, African, and Amerindian background; From the eastern portion of Hispaniola and Cuba; Assisted in Revolution and overthrow of Spanish rule; Consider themselves white, and dislike the French Creoles, though they are treated as top tier of society as well; Control governments of Cuba, Isle of Youth, and Spanish Dominica provinces.

Marronnage-Civilisé/Cimarrón~ Francophone and Hispanophone Maroons of African and Amerindian background that have immigrated into the society; After the Revolution, many Maroons found themselves acceptable in the new Creole-dominated society, as they were considered "fellow indigineous persons"; Treated as less-civilized Creoles, they are often wed to poor Creoles, and their offspring are considered Creoles; Many work as factory workers and other industrial jobs.

Métis/Mestizo~ Francophone and Hispanophone persons of European and Amerindian background; Many are from the upper classes of the Spanish-speaking provinces, while others are from Upper Louisiana and Illinois Country, emmigrating to the Republic after the sale of Upper Louisiana to Great Britain; They are generally disliked for being "too white," by the Creole elite.

Noirs~ Francophone and Hispanophone persons of unmixed African background; Formerly held as slaves, most Noirs have found themselves now being paid little for retaining their former jobs; Noirs enslaved to White Europeans were freed, and most followed the Freedmen of Color into marry into Creole families; Noirs enslaved to Creoles were offerred jobs as indentured servants; As they are unmixed, they are viewed as non-natives, and usually discriminated against; However, they are readily accepted into Creole, Marronnage, and Métis families by marriage, as they are then viewed as "Arrivants," and the offspring are considered as whatever their non-Noir parent was; They are banned from holding office or voting, as they are considered "Non-Natives."

Anciens-Gens~ Francophone and Hispanophone persons of unmixed European background; Formerly the ruling elite, the ones that chose to champion the "Cause créole," and stay in Louisiana found themselves in a slightly lowered position; Many that stayed retained plantations, however they are banned from holding office or voting, as they are considered "Non-Natives"; Many have married into Creole families.
 
What are the effects of the Creoles viewing themselves as a native race of the Americas, do ya'll think?
 
Are there any "pure" Native Americans left? If not genetically, than at least maintaining some semblance of tribal identity, customs, and language?
 
Are there any "pure" Native Americans left? If not genetically, than at least maintaining some semblance of tribal identity, customs, and language?

Yeah, many left Upper Louisiana when it was sold to Britain/Canada...however I assume they'd marry into Metis families, and eventually marry with the Creoles, and become Creoles themselves...however Creole culture takes much from Native-Americans...
 
That makes sense, but even in Latin American societies where people of all races have blended together into one common identity there are often remnant tribes. Of course, somewhat paradoxically, the majority of identifying tribal members would probably be just ethnically mixed as the majority and living a primarilly mainstream lifestyle. There would always be some incentive by some to keep alive the legacy of the tribe's language, food, artwork, traditions, and name in general, though.
 
Of course, especially ITTL, the Natchez will most likely refuse to intermarry with the Creoles and become a powerful minority...
 

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France keeps the Louisiana Territory when Haiti Rebels so does Louisiana. Creoles set up a Republic with heavy ties to Haiti.
 
Are there any "pure" Native Americans left? If not genetically, than at least maintaining some semblance of tribal identity, customs, and language?

Perhaps they could use thier own system.

Maybe if you can prove your lineage to be Five generations, New World born ancestors, you could be a Creole, no matter the color. Take the color out of it, show an early pedigree, especially if you fought in the revolts, and you get full priveleges.

It might encourage more inter-marriage, perhaps this might lead to much less problems integrating the society.

Just a thought.
 
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