An Unlikely Confederate Ally...

Aussey

But what if a stronger Brazilian Empire comes to the aid of the C.S.A? Would a stronger Brazil with the power of, say, France, combined with the Southernors be able to defeat the U.S.A in the 1860s? Just a thought I've been thinking about...
 

Max Sinister

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Their population would have to be much higher for that - AFAIK it was just 25 million in the 1930s.

What'd help more: Their blockade runners. I won't say it could help the CSA to win, but they could win some more battles, like Antietam.
 

Gonzaga

You still have the problem that the ACW was good for Brazil. During the war Brazilian farmers were making fortunes exporting cotton (there was a cotton boom in the northern provinces). Even if Brazil is stronger enough to send an army able to make some difference, wouldn't be wise to help a rival in business.
 

David S Poepoe

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Most unlikely. Not all of Brazilian society supported the idea of slavery and Emperor Pedro II was pretty much reigning on borrowed time since the time of the War of the Triple Alliance. Emancipation of Brazilian slaves is being talked about in circles.
 

Vault-Scope

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David S Poepoe said:
Most unlikely. Not all of Brazilian society supported the idea of slavery and Emperor Pedro II was pretty much reigning on borrowed time since the time of the War of the Triple Alliance. Emancipation of Brazilian slaves is being talked about in circles.
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No, in such case the issue would be to stop the USA from dominating the American continent.
 

HueyLong

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Because other powers obviously separated the CSA from slavery.... oh wait, no they didn't.

A war against the USA would be seen as a war for slavery.
 

Dave Howery

Just what could Brazil do to help the Confederates? Send troops, ships, supplies? One wonders too, just what would Britain and France think of Brazil taking sides in the war.... I suppose they wouldn't care for it, but wouldn't interfere either...
 

David S Poepoe

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Vault-Scope said:
No, in such case the issue would be to stop the USA from dominating the American continent.
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Why would Brazil care? At the time they would be aware that there was still both Canada and Mexico that any US expansion would have to contend with - and Canada was part of the British Empire.
 

Vault-Scope

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David S Poepoe said:
Why would Brazil care? At the time they would be aware that there was still both Canada and Mexico that any US expansion would have to contend with - and Canada was part of the British Empire.
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Similar reason as to why USA cared about Vietnam. Mexico was an industrial dwarf at the time.

If USA have a manifest destiny type of ideology or that documented proof comes out that the USA`s long-therm plans is to expand southward(possibly with the help of england), until all of america is their colony...
 

Dean_the_Young

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Similar reason as to why USA cared about Vietnam. Mexico was an industrial dwarf at the time.

If USA have a manifest destiny type of ideology or that documented proof comes out that the USA`s long-therm plans is to expand southward(possibly with the help of england), until all of america is their colony...
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Considering the most of the people who wanted and advocated southern expansion were the slaveholders who were currently being beaten into the ground, your rational is off. And at the time, even the US can be called an industrial dwarf, though it was clearly growing.

And why England would help the US expand South is beyond me. And if it had been, it would have been aiding the US rather than the CSA. And had Britain been aiding the US, there's no way that Brazil would have gone and and aided in the CSA in opposition.
 
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