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Sea Scorpion Anti-Air Frigate

Crew: 170-190

Country: Union of Soviet Socialist Republics/ Russian Republic

Other Users: Ukraine, Baltic States, Republic of China, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Algeria, Cuba

Builder: Severnaya Verf 190, Leningrad

Armament: 8x 57mm Cannons (two per turret)
4x 55cm Torpedo Tubes
1x Osa-MA SAM (Wartime Upgrade)

One of the key parts of Soviet strategy to reassert the USSR as a world power during the 1960s was a massive expansion to the Soviet Navy. Following the Second World War the new Soviet STAVKA ordered a detailed critical review of the Soviet Union’s actions during the war with an emphasis on what lead to their defeat. Among the top reasons was the lack of control over the seas and a navy to ensure it. The Allied powers boasted powerful navies centered on battleships and then aircraft carriers. It was British, German, and French ships that kept the Soviet Northern and Black Seas fleets bottled up in the Norwegian and Mediterranean Seas. Then it was American and Japanese carriers which laid waste to the Soviet Navy’s bases in the Atlantic and Pacific. The USSR’s navy (except for submarines) fell behind the curve technologically compared to the Allies during the war.

The generals and colonels who prepared the final report to STAVKA informed the Red Army’s senior leadership that if the USSR was to have any military influence or ability to defeat the United States or European Alliance and to a lesser extent the Japanese Empire, a modern blue water navy would be needed. However despite these conclusions the Soviets would spend what little funds they had for defense on the land and air elements of the Russian armed forces through the 1950s. The Soviet Fleet was forced to make do with the bare elements that survived the war and became a weak coastal defense force.

Under General Secretary Alexander Romanov this changed. As the USA and Europeans became more interested in their own superpower rivaly and less in the USSR, Romanov began large scale re-armament programs. At the forefront of this was the creation of a new Soviet Navy. To lead this effort Romanov appointed Admiral Sergei Gorshkov as the commander in chief of the Russian naval forces. Having served in The Great Patriotic War Gorshkov saw the destruction of the Soviet Northern Fleet in Murmansk first hand. He like Romanov was a strong supporter of a large and powerful navy. He argued that Russia had a huge coastline and it was only sensible to have a navy that could not only defend it, but also carry the fight to the enemy.

While they understood the need for a modern naval force, both Gorshkov and Romanov understood the limitations of Soviet industry, geography, and climate. Ice would limit the usefulness of many Soviet bases along with the fact that the approaches to the major trade routes and the Soviet’s enemies were constricted (the GUIK gap in the Atlantic and the Japanese Home Islands in the Pacific). Despite these issues Admiral Gorshkov met them and in most cases overcame them. One of the first things added to the Red Fleet was a modern icebreaker fleet. Although not a prefect fix it improved the operational tempo at Soviet naval bases. Next to overcome the limits of geography the Admiral pushed Romanov to secure the rights for Soviet ships to base overseas. This was one of the major reasons for the World Socialist Alliance, to provide the Soviet Fleet with bases and areas to deploy from outside the USSR.

Industry too was revamped with new shipyards capable of producing warships and cargo vessels quickly. Lessons learned from the last war and new developments in technology were incorporated into vessel designs. The heavy guns of old gave way to guided missiles, radar and electronic upgrades. Plus the Soviet Navy strived to have a more professional and trained force than the conscripts of the Red Army. Longer enlistment periods with more specialized training were conducted with naval personnel. By the 1970s the Soviets had gone from a fleet of a few dozen ships, to a modern two ocean navy that could project power overseas. Dreadnaught Battlecruisers, small aircraft carriers, nuclear and conventional submarines, and long range naval aviation formed the core of the Soviet Fleet. In addition to the big ships Gorshkov knew that the Russian Fleet needed supporting craft, destroyers, frigates, submarines and resupply vessels for all of the above. The Sea Scorpion frigate was a part of this support structure.

Ever mindful of the power of the Allied air forces, the Soviet Navy wanted an anti-aircraft ship armed with radar directed guns and possibly missiles. The needs of a growing Soviet surface fleet in the 1960s lead to the adoption of using a smaller vessel as an AA platform rather than a larger destroyer or cruiser (like the American Aegis). The Sea Scorpion was built with an emphasis on speed and rapid firepower. The Russian designers correctly surmised with the growth of guided missiles the days of armored warships were over. Multiple 57mm rapid fire cannons slaved to fire-control and search radar was the main weapons of the Scorpion. The eight cannons could shred any aircraft that came in range and could act in an anti-missile role to protect larger Soviet ships.

While primarily an anti-air platform the Sea Scorpion also could serve in an limited ASW role. Ship mounted torpedo tubes and RBU mortars (a war time addition) were the primary tools of the Scorpions in killing Allied submarines. Additional missions of the frigate included patrolling, convoy escort, and land fire support (in which it preformed with less success). Compared to the Dreadnaught, the Sea Scorpions were easy to produce. Many would be sold to members of the WSA. Since these nations would lack larger surface combatants Iraqi, Cuban, and other WSA members would add anti-ship missiles or larger cannons to their Scorpions.

The initial battlefield performance of the Sea Scorpions was excellent. Powerful Soviet surface groups (know as KUGs), were well defended against American air attacks in the early stages of the war. Scorpions were upgraded during World War III to also carry SAM systems improving their AAW range and ability. U.S. Navy pilots respected the Scorpion’s firepower calling it the ‘buzz-saw’ based on the noise caused by all eight of its cannons firing at once. However the Sea Scorpions were far below the abilities of the U.S. Ticonderoga ‘Aegis’ cruisers. Eventually new tactics and weapons limited the effectiveness of the Scorpion. Standard ARM missiles and the AGM-88 HARM anti-radiation missiles fired by EA-6s or F/A-18s would strip the Sea Scorpions of their radar, instantly limiting their effectiveness. Plus the ASW abilities of the Scorpion were low compared to the dedicated Soviet ASW ships, making them an easy target for Allied submarines.

Today modified Sea Scorpions serve in the navies of the former WSA members and the Russian Republic. Many have lost most of their guns seeing newer SAM systems put in their place. Additional upgrades include surface to surface missiles and newer electronics. Out of necessity of these nations the Sea Scorpion will remain in service into the Twenty-First Century.

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Dreadnaught Battlecruiser

Crew: 700

Country: Union of Soviet Socialist Republics/Russian Republic

Builder: Baltic and Leningrad Shipyards

Armament: 11x SS-N-19 (or Land Attack Cruise Missiles)
2x RBU-12000 ASW Rockets
1x AK-130 130mm Cannon
10x 533mm ASW Torpedo Tubes
8x AK-630 30mm CIWS

Air Complement: 2x Helicopters

Through the 1960s the Soviet Navy grew by leaps and bounds. Hulls were being laid down and ships produced at a fearsome rate. In a decade the USSR was in procession of a new modern surface force. “The flag of the Soviet Navy now proudly flies over the oceans of the world. Sooner or later the Americans, Europeans, and Japanese will have to understand that they no longer have sole mastery of the seas” Admiral Sergey Gorshkov told a graduating class from the Soviet naval academy in 1966. In addition to their new fleet the Soviets found allies in the developing world, the World Socialist Alliance. New ports of call and bases to resupply from were established in Iraq, Libya, Algeria, Cuba and other Third World nations.

During this expansion however a fearsome debate raged in the Soviet Naval service as to what the core of their new fleet should be, missile armed cruisers/destroyers or aircraft carriers? This issue divided the Russian naval staff and officers into camps. Many of the younger officers and admirals were advocates of carriers, with older officers having more faith (even with the evidence of Allied carrier operations in World War II) in traditional ships. Admiral Gorshkov, the CINC of the Soviet Navy was an abstract being from the older generation and supporting the carrier argument.

However politics inside both the Navy and the CPSU itself prolonged the debate. General Secretary Romanov was convinced that new technology in naval warfare would eliminate the aircraft carrier as it had eliminated the battleship. He was captivated by the idea of guided missile ships striking at targets from hundreds of kilometers away. While Gorshkov too supported the development of missiles (especially for his older Tu-16 Badger and new Tu-26M Kirov Bombers) he recognized the power carriers brought to a surface force. Eventually the Admiral was able to convince the General Secretary and Politburo to develop carriers but first under the guise of anti-submarine warfare with the small Moskva Helicopter Cruiser. In the late 60s the first of the Kiev class mini carriers were laid down with seven being completed before the Third World War. The main strength of the Soviet Fleet would be missile armed cruisers and destroyers.

The most powerful of these was the Dreadnaught Battlecruiser. Larger than theSlava and Kara cruisers its size was closer to that of a World War I battleship. Each Dreadnaught was powered by a nuclear reactor giving it extensive range and no need to refuel for over twenty years. To protect these powerful warships multiple Vulcan style guns were placed over it for point defense. Eventually short-range SAMs were added as well. The main weapon system of the Dreadnaught was its eleven missile tubes. For naval warfare these tubes are loaded with SS-N-19 SSMs. Having a huge range and powerful warheads these missiles were built by Soviet engineers to devastate American carriers. After a short conversion process they could also fire land attack cruise missiles.

In the development of their anti-carrier tactics the Soviets knew that it was best to destroy them before their air wings could be launched. As a result the Russians created a combined arms strategy. Using sub-surface, surface, and air assets the Soviets would spam American and Allied carrier groups with missiles. Even the new American ‘Aegis’ cruisers coming onto the line in 1970 would be overwhelmed by the sheer number of weapons. Extensive war-games practiced and refined these tactics over the years leading to the war.

The best example of Soviet anti-carrier operations occurred north of Cuba on the first day of war. A Soviet surface group (KUG) of Dreadnaughts, Karas, Slavas, destroyers and submarines closed with the carriers Douglas MacArthur and Midway plus their escorting ships. The American carrier task group was tracked by a Tu-95D Bear. It coordinated the approach of over five submarines and three regiments of Tu-26 Kirovs from Cuba escorted by MiG-25s. Firing their missiles from maximum range, the Kirovs pulled away before the F-14s could break away from the dogfight with the MiG-25s. The AS-4 missiles were guided to the target by the radar of the KUG, who launched a coordinated missile strike with two Echo submarines.

Only a single Aegis Cruiser was with the task group. Bunker Hill quickly exhausted its supply of Standard SAM missiles. These combined with fire from the other escorting ships destroyed many of the Soviet missiles. CIWS also cut down more along with electronic warfare methods. However over twenty missiles made it past the defenses. MacArthur was set ablaze from stem to stern, the Midway heavily damaged. Seven other cruisers, destroyers, and frigates were lost. The Soviet submarines closed and sank another four ships including the damaged Midway.

Many of the USN aircraft managed to get airborne before the missile assault. These however where hastily loaded with some not sporting anything but their cannons. Despite the lack of weapons the naval airmen proved deadly opponents. Soviet losses were moderate (a damaged Dreadnaught, two cruisers were sunk, and three destroyers (two sunk by American submarines). Other Soviet attacks on D-Day against USN carriers in the Pacific and Mediterranean were not as effective, not sinking any but damaging two (the Carl Vision heavily). Dreadnaughts helped the Soviets isolate the United States by sea. They could deliver more firepower than similar US ships and were capable of shore bombardment with land attack missiles. However the Soviet’s lack of carrier based naval aviation would prove a factor in the defeat of the Dreadnaughts.

As the US Navy regrouped, its carrier battlegroups were able to strike at long range against Soviet KUGs. The few Kiev class carriers couldn’t provide adequate air cover. The Yak-38 VTOL planes it carried were outmatched by American Tomcats and Hornets. Once their air defenses were suppressed the big Dreadnaughts were just as vulnerable to Harpoon armed US planes as USN ships were to Kirov bombers. The last great Soviet surface action of the war occurred during the failed Battle of Hawaii.

The bulk of the Soviet Pacific Fleet engaged the US Seventh Fleet around the Hawaiian Islands. A strategic decision to isolate and harass Pearl Harbor made earlier in the war proved to be a mistake. While surface ships did not operate far from the Hawaii islands out of fear of Soviet air attack (from Far Eastern and Mexican based SNA assets), submarines deployed out from Hawaii and went after Soviet Pacific Fleet (SPF) units. To end this threat to Soviet SLOCs in the Pacific, Moscow ordered Pearl Harbor be taken. Amphibious assets were rounded up and the SPF assembled.

However the USN was eager for a chance to go after the SPF and the build up for the operation was impossible to hide. Three carriers and their escorts challenged the SPF with CONUS based B-52s armed with Harpoons. Forced to operate at their maximum ranges the Kirov and Badger bombers were unable to play the deadly role that they had earlier in the war. Many were shot down by Tomcats and Hornets, due to the lack of long range fighter escorts for the Tu-26s and Tu-16s. The Soviet KUGs came under bomber attack themselves. Combined B-52 and USN aircraft attack withered down the Soviet ships including the mighty Dreadnaughts. Nearly two thirds of the SPF was lost to the USN’s fighters, bombers, and submarines.

After the Battle of Hawaii, Soviet naval power was never the same. The declaration of war against the USSR by the European Alliance saw the Soviet Northern Fleet devastated by Allied naval actions in the North Atlantic, Caribbean, and Norwegian Sea. Only a handful of Dreadnaughts survived the war. All are in the hands of the Russian Republic’s Navy. Allied intelligence believes only three of the ships are in any sort of operational status, the others requiring heavy maintenance before they can put to sea.

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Hapsburg

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As mentioned previously, Space Fighters are falling gradually by the wayside in the Central Galactic Navy. The speed and defensive strength offered by space mechs are a powerful point in the ongoing debate among military strategists. While the pro-fighter camp had dominated the Terran Empire, this was not always so; in the Terran Dominion and preceding Terran Federation, the navy went back and forth on the issue, aided partly due to the minimal difference between space fighters and space mechs. However, in the age of the Central Galactic Union, the Navy brass decided to use both for maximal versatility, using a tactic of a squadron of space mechs supported by two squadrons of fighter pods.
The Cherub space mech gave way to the Archangel type by the beginning of the Zaaroft War; and by 4300, the Archangel was due to be replaced by the larger and more powerful Seraph.
The Seraph sported higher performing rockets, a more efficient powerplant, and more durable armour. Due to this, it is much faster and mounts more internal beam and laser weapons. While mounting fewer missile racks than its predecessor, it can carry many more small combat drones in addition to its twin large ones.

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Hapsburg

Banned
It looks like it's on a pedestal mount, so it can rotate. The placement of the Styracosaur's horns make it able to fire right over the head, in between the frill horns.
At least it looks like it.
 

NothingNow

Banned
The M24/77 Chaffee Light Tank/Tank Destroyer.
Former Users (Notable): Argentina, Catalonia, Chile, Cuba, Mexico, Schleswig-Holstein, Spain, Portugal.
Current Users:Biafra, Guatemala, Navarre, Paraguay, Timor, Uruguay.

Specifications (Same as M24 unless otherwise noted):
Crew: 4 (Commander, Driver, Gunner, Loader)
Main Weapon: 1x Royal Ordinance 77mm HV gun. 46 Rounds.
Secondary Weapons: 2x12.7mm Browning M2 HMG. (1 Co-axial with Main gun, 1 on Pintle Mount) 4200 Rounds.
Armor: 10 to 25mm
Weight: 18.8 Tonnes (41,450 lbs)

The M24/77 was intended primarily as a replacement for the numerous Tank destroyers, Shermans, and other obsolete or inferior tanks which some Latin Pact units had to soldier on with until after the war, the M24/77 was intended above all else to be cheap, capable and versatile. Thus the M24 Chaffee was used as the basis for a capable tank utilizing what was then the best tank-gun in the Allied Arsenal.
The First production M24/77 rolled out of the factory on November 18 1944. Although the M24/77 entered production too late to see service in the Second World War, it has been utilized in almost every conflict since, with over 28,000 built, out numbering almost every other western post-war tank. The M24/77 has also been used for a wide variety of Specialized vehicles, as had been done with the Tanque 36, Tiger Family, and it's immediate predecessor in service with the Latin Pact: the M3/M5 Stuart light Tank.

Most remaining M24/77 Chaffees have been Upgraded, usually with a better armored version of the GIAT TS-90 Turret; these are commonly referred to as M24/90 Chaffees, and some in service with Navarre and Timor have been upgraded to the M24/105 standard, using the same turret as the GIAT AMX 15 RC.

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