What is a common thing or trope that always seem to happen?

[Aluma]

"Look, it's very easy to fix this. You just have to make a couple of concessions to them. Preferably very small ones, the kind that would only have value in the 21st century, and that are purely symbolic. Something like, I don't know, allowing them to use their stupid and barbaric dialect in their local schools. Who cares if you then force them to do all the red tape in your beautiful cultured language. They'll be most

*whispers as I make everyone learn portuguese*

Basically that, even though the country was founded by a monarchy and the royal family X is basically part of the culture of the nation. You ripping off part of the culture won't cause problems in the future

Always see that, specially with asian countries
Who needs a monarchy anyway? Nevermind that their royals are more important to the national mythology than King Arthur is to Britain

The power of a hug solves everything

Ah my life philosophy
Hugs and lots of death beams

 

[Viking25]

Even then it’s like they ignore modern states like Tanzania, India, and other multi ethnic countries that do survive especially in the third world. It’s just frustrating as someone who’s put a lot of time into a concept

Admittedly those state are beset by numerous problems and their is some friction between the two groups but they do in fact exist and often do pretty well for themselves

yes the closest battle in the world. On one side bob, he has a sword (it's always a sword). On the other hand, Jerry, Jerry can literally shape the universe to his liking.
If the kingdom is a magocracy, an encounter with an apprentice mage working for the nation should be a frightening thing, here we have a 15 year old boy who can destroy a legion of soldiers single-handedly. Encountering a powerful mage should be a near-apocalyptic event for non-mages.

Honestly most Fantasy should really just realistically about a bunch of Mage Nobles lording over a non magical population of serfs whose only purpose is to serve as canon fodder to buy time while the Mages cast their spells

 

[holycookie]

Another is that you can always combine two cultures together even if one likes birds and the other hates birds (example). They won't kill each other. Some cultures can be combined, but if they are antagonistic, joining the groups will only make blood flow. multiethnic empires have a dominating ethnicity/culture. Groups will not be treated equally.
it's hard work to make very different cultures get along. What happens normaly is fighting or one group absorbs the other. But in tv shows , putting them together works very well. The same thing with religion

 

[Deleted member 163405]

My final trope(s) that annoys me:

Nations are either entirely positive or entirely negative. All socialist nations must be evil, or they are all wholesome nations where there are no issues and everything is amazing. All capitalist nations are bustling robust nations, or the iron boot that crushes the poor.

Every one party state is entirely evil, undemocratic, and oppressive, yet absolute monarchies can be portrayed as good under the “enlightened kings.” Liberal democracy is either usually the best thing to have ever existed, or the stepping stone used to transition a nation into dictatorship.

It feels like, people use the simple rising and falling action, when even though we are telling stories, if we are attempting to be realistic objectively there should be multiple rising and falling actions. Better stories should be told with an ending having both positives and negatives. And always somewhere to pick up on and improve.

 

[Deleted member 163405]

Admittedly those state are beset by numerous problems and their is some friction between the two groups but they do in fact exist and often do pretty well for themselves

well of course but better stories should include, mixed endings. Where it’s not all sunshine and rainbows, or raining hellfire, but just existence. Utopian endings are so boring.

 

[Viking25]

Every one party state is entirely evil, undemocratic, and oppressive, yet absolute monarchies can be portrayed as good under the “enlightened kings.”

Ah Engligthened Despotism.....The most unreliable, nonsensical ideology if it can actually be called that seems to somehow despite everything still have followers to this day despite it basically being all about just hoping a random person whose unelected, accountable to no one and whose maybe a toddler currently will be a good ruler and will always have the best interests of their people in mind......Say what you will about most Politicians but at least they have the spectre of elections to keep them from fucking over their people too badly while in office. Oh sure rulers like this do sometimes come about(Pedro II of Brazil for one) but relying on them consistently? Eh sorry chief but no.

 

[Aluma]

. I always find it so disrespectful that jerry and bob are going to be friends and have the same principles because they have the same color. Or that y

I see that specially with muslims
"Oh they share the same religion so of course they will help each others that how it works right?"

Honestly most Fantasy should really just realistically about a bunch of Mage Nobles lording over a non magical population of serfs whose only purpose is to serve as canon fodder to buy time while the Mages cast their spells

So Harry Potter

Then again it is also a inversion because for some reason the evil magical nobility and the nazi mage are 100% sure they can take on the normal humanity with their wands even though the wizard world has like 10k people and the human world has nukes

 

[viper23]

Yes, I really like the universe. One thing I like about warhammer 40k is that humanity is the old and decrepit entity that newer races look on in horror. Fanatical, cruel and simply monstrous. I think that's why I like imperium. I wish there was a 40k show of the encounter between imperuim and a coalition of forces like the star trek federation.

That last one is basically the Tau.

Well, basically-ish. Your mileage may vary a little on how willing the coalition is.

 

[Deleted member 163405]

Ah Engligthened Despotism.....The most unreliable, nonsensical ideology if it can actually be called that seems to somehow despite everything still have followers to do this despite it basically being just hoping a random person whose unelected, accountable to no one and whose maybe a toddler currently will be a good ruler and will always have the best interests of their people in mind......Say what you will about most Politicians but at least they have the spectre of elections to keep them from fucking over their residents too badly while in office. Oh sure rulers like this do sometimes come about(Pedro II of Brazil for one) but relying on them consistently? Eh sorry chief but no.

Even then Pedro of Brazil didn’t really set up a stable succession after his son died, he mostly just gave up on his daughter. So the enlightened hand of despots even in the best of scenarios slowly fades with time.

 

[Viking25]

Even then Pedro of Brazil didn’t really set up a stable succession after his son died, he mostly just gave up on his daughter. So the enlightened hand of despots even in the best of scenarios slowly fades with time.

Yeah I honestly think a truly perfect Enlightened despot is pretty much impossible. Probably because it requires somebody whose completely selfless, supernaturally charismatic and competent and who will never let their own opinions and biases cloud their judgement......and rather depressingly I think its physically impossible for a human being to be all of those things at the same time. Quite frankly I think the only way to get a ruler like this would be to programme an AI or something.

So Harry Potter

Then again it is also a inversion because for some reason the evil magical nobility and the nazi mage are 100% sure they can take on the normal humanity with their wands even though the wizard world has like 10k people and the human world has nukes

And when they can't even take over a fucking boarding school.

 

[holycookie]

Honestly most Fantasy should really just realistically about a bunch of Mage Nobles lording over a non magical population of serfs whose only purpose is to serve as canon fodder to buy time while the Mages cast their spells

Yes, but there could be other ways to fight it, industry, alliances with other humans and other races. In theory, magocracy could be more egalitarian, who cares if it's a man or a woman, what matters is the strength of magic. Could also have eugenics running wild if blood has to do with magic

That last one is basically the Tau.

Well, basically-ish. Your mileage may vary a little on how willing the coalition is.

speaking of the Tau, where are the other races?
there is the kroot and that's it. show me the other species

 

[Aluma]

Oh sure rulers like this do sometimes come about(Pedro II of Brazil for one) but relying on them consistently? Eh sorry chief but no

I'd say Pedro wasnt really "in charge"
He could dissolve the parliament and appoint the people who were in charge but couldnt "rule" directly at all
He wasnt Elizabeth II obviously but his powers would still make "traditional" monarchies scream in horror

Even then Pedro of Brazil didn’t really set up a stable succession after his son died, he mostly just gave up on his daughter. So the enlightened hand of despots even in the best of scenarios slowly fades with time.

Nah give the guy a break, even Augustus couldnt set up a good succession when all his sons died
I dont think one can blame the guy for "giving up" when he was a PSTD mess ruling a country much more sexist than he was

 

[holycookie]

Even then Pedro of Brazil didn’t really set up a stable succession after his son died, he mostly just gave up on his daughter. So the enlightened hand of despots even in the best of scenarios slowly fades with time.

but this is interesting in a story, with the king having only one daughter, he decides that as women are not capable of ruling , it is best to sit and wait. show me human flaws and prejudices.

 

[Aluma]

he decides that as women are not capable of ruling it is best to sit and wait. show me human flaws and prejudices

I mean he did think women were capable of ruling
He saw Barral as his equal and let Isabel rule in his stead, even his comment "Isabel's kingdom is not of this world" where he gave up on her rule was regreting the fact he didnt think she would be allowed to rule, meaning he wished she would

 

[Deleted member 163405]

but this is interesting in a story, with the king having only one daughter, he decides that as women are not capable of ruling it is best to sit and wait. show me human flaws and prejudices.

Yes, but it still proves my point of people who have flawless rulers one after another while at the same time writing off all other governing systems as unworkable or doomed. Pedro wasn’t flawless thus the myth of the enlightened despot

 

[Viking25]

I'd say Pedro wasnt really "in charge"
He could dissolve the parliament and appoint the people who were in charge but couldnt "rule" directly at all
He wasnt Elizabeth II obviously but his powers would still make "traditional" monarchies scream in horror

Fair point. Maybe Augustus would be a better example? Or maybe Lee Kuan Yew?

 

[BELFAST]

Indians in the Americas never manage to keep the settlers out.

 

[Aluma]

I think both Augustus and Pedro serve as examples of what enlightened "ideal" rulers would look like in the real world, with real human flaws and such
As both were "engineered" by their environment to be the "perfect" monarch of their respective societies(Rome & Brazil) and did fairly well, living up to most's expectations but still ultimately failing at securing their countries's futures and at being as flawless as their followers thought they to be

 

[holycookie]

I see that specially with muslims
"Oh they share the same religion so of course they will help each others that how it works right?"

To be honest, this happens a lot. Protestants vs Catholics is common. Just like Protestants vs Protestants and Catholics vs Catholics

So Harry Potter

Then again it is also a inversion because for some reason the evil magical nobility and the nazi mage are 100% sure they can take on the normal humanity with their wands even though the wizard world has like 10k people and the human world has nukes

It would be interesting if part of the reason pureblood families are so reactionary is that they feel they are being colonized by first generation mages. There is a class aimed at the normal world, where is the class "the introductory to the customs and norms of the magical world".

 

[holycookie]

I mean he did think women were capable of ruling
He saw Barral as his equal and let Isabel rule in his stead, even his comment "Isabel's kingdom is not of this world" where he gave up on her rule was regreting the fact he didnt think she would be allowed to rule, meaning he wished she would

sorry my mistake, it was supposed to be society.