Which article is this?"On 21–26 April 1936 Demchugdongrub and Li Shouxin met with the Japanese Special Service Chief Captain Takayoshi Tanaka at West Wuchumuhsin. Representatives from places in Inner Mongolia, Qinghai and Mongolia also attended the meeting, which was called the 'State-Founding Conference'. A plan was drawn up to create a Mongolian State which would include all of Mongolia and Qinghai" - Wikipedia
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There have been historically-Jewish (ruled) states in Europe. Aside from the Khazar Khanate (and proposals for Jewish Crimea), there's also Septimania.Has there been any historical proposals for an independent Jewish state in Europe?
Not any post-Zionism. Zionism is based on the idea that the Jews are no longer safe in Europe, so a European Jewish state would be counter to Herzl's ideas.Has there been any historical proposals for an independent Jewish state in Europe?
There have been historically-Jewish (ruled) states in Europe. Aside from the Khazar Khanate (and proposals for Jewish Crimea), there's also Septimania.
I'd love to see more scenarios with Septimania, tbh. It's an interesting story. As a region on the Frankish-Andalusian Frontier, Septimania was subject to raids and incursions by both Muslims and Christians, Umayyads and Carolingians -- but neither side was able to enforce their authority on the region. So, Pepin the Short appointed Makhir ben Habibai -- a Jewish scholar -- to be the hereditary lord of Septimania. Septimania became an autonomous region, paying tribute to and receiving patronage from both the Moors and the Franks, and becoming a home for Jews as well as Arian Christians from the Visigothic Kingdom, and surviving Gothic pagans.
Of course, Muslim Andalusia would be generally more tolerant of Jews than mediaeval Christendom -- but it seems that early on, that wasn't always the case, as a Frankish king was willing to grant a Jewish rabbi a feudal title.
Has there been any historical proposals for an independent Jewish state in Europe?
Whenever in doubt, check Totentanz0's gallery.Has there been any historical proposals for an independent Jewish state in Europe?
Imagine if they tried to force OTL's Israel into a place like Mindanao.... *mass-death scenario intensifies*
This is totentanz0's whole gimmick - he puts the maximum amount of real-life proposals into a single map as possible, of course sometimes these become contradictory and overlapping, so he then puts (or used to put) a long description of all of his sources for download, in fact, totentanz0 is the one who inspired me to become a map-maker myself!I like how all states in South America are included/have been suggested at some point.
I 100% remember seeing a 1930s booklet showing a world map with proposed Jewish states, they are more or less consistent with the map that totentanz0 made, and I am 80% sure that I remember viewing a proposed Jewish state in fucking Kashmir of all places!, does anyone in here knows which map I am talking about?Imagine if they tried to force OTL's Israel into a place like Mindanao.... *mass-death scenario intensifies*
Was it Kashmir or Sarhad/NWFP? There is an area west of Peshawar that the Mughals called the Jewish Desert, and there exists lore around the alleged Israelite origins of the Pashtuns.This is totentanz0's whole gimmick - he puts the maximum amount of real-life proposals into a single map as possible, of course sometimes these become contradictory and overlapping, so he then puts (or used to put) a long description of all of his sources for download, in fact, totentanz0 is the one who inspired me to become a map-maker myself!
I 100% remember seeing a 1930s booklet showing a world map with proposed Jewish states, they are more or less consistent with the map that totentanz0 made, and I am 80% sure that I remember viewing a proposed Jewish state in fucking Kashmir of all places!, does anyone in here knows which map I am talking about?
I 100% remember seeing a 1930s booklet showing a world map with proposed Jewish states, they are more or less consistent with the map that totentanz0 made, and I am 80% sure that I remember viewing a proposed Jewish state in fucking Kashmir of all places!, does anyone in here knows which map I am talking about?
I found it!, also I misremembered it, the map was not all of Kashmir as a whole, but rather, an area that is more or less half of Badakhshan, a small portion of Kyrgyzstan, a small portion of Xinjiang, and a tiny portion of northern Kashmir, the map might have already been posted in this thread before, but here it is anyways:Was it Kashmir or Sarhad/NWFP? There is an area west of Peshawar that the Mughals called the Jewish Desert, and there exists lore around the alleged Israelite origins of the Pashtuns.
This is kind of hilarious. I forget who called this trope "Pin the Zion on the map," but the name really applies here.I found it!, also I misremembered it, the map was not all of Kashmir as a whole, but rather, an area that is more or less half of Badakhshan, a small portion of Kyrgyzstan, a small portion of Xinjiang, and a tiny portion of northern Kashmir, the map might have already been posted in this thread before, but here it is anyways:
I feel like every country has at least one group claiming to be descended from one of the 10 lost tribes. It's easy when the timeline is so fuzzy, and you're able to go so broad.I also know that there's an Afghan legend that the Pashtun tribes are descended from the lost Tribes of Israel. The Pashtun tribes trace their legendary heritage to Qais Abdur Rashid, said to be descended from the Tribe of Benjamin (one of the Lost Tribes after the Babylonian conquest of the Israelites).
Lol yeah, it's interesting. So many nations have a legend about being descended from the Israelites or the Trojans. The Britons claim descent from both Israelites and Trojans. And the Gaels (or the Scottish, at least) claim descent from the ancient Egyptians, while the Irish claim descent from the Scythians. So do the Poles, actually, but they identified the Scythians/Sarmatians as Turco-Mongol rather than Iranian.I feel like every country has at least one group claiming to be descended from one of the 10 lost tribes. It's easy when the timeline is so fuzzy, and you're able to go so broad.
Surprised there's no theory about the Basques being Israelites considering their mysterious origin